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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 592983" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Jim,</p><p></p><p>The word progressive today is often associated with "liberal" and/or "democrat" but in it's orgins in 19th century American politics, it was clearly a republican movement. This is just a <a href="http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=975" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">tip of the iceberg</span></a> but it is food for thought. I also believe a lot of "democrats" today are really republicans in an older sense.</p><p></p><p>On a humorous note, I always liked this quote by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tucker" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tucker</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>As to progressivism being a movement of society elites (WASPs if you will but the truth is much broader) yes, I would concur in that but go one step forward in that the reason these elites do so is to create "their world" and then use gov't as a mechanism to protect those self serving interests. I believe these utopianist have been driving and guiding public policy for years and trying their damnest to make all of us into some single image that their religion drives them towards.</p><p></p><p>In the movie Food Inc. Smithfield Foods has a large plant in NC which it's known by all to employ illegal aliens. To keep a working situation to their liking, the movie clearly showed IMO where Smithfield of some regular basis provided details on where a certain group of aliens live which the Immigration agents would then raid and deport for public consumption and in the meantime Smithfields production line was never impacted. It literally has become a part of the business model.</p><p></p><p>Now we can argue all day long about illegal aliens but the fact remains there is a more unseen gov't/business partnership in this deal so instead of taking it out on the poor alien, we need to take a much closer look elsewhere and if so many businesses moved south of the border and treaties expediated this, then why the problem of so many coming north to find work?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmmm!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 592983, member: 2189"] Jim, The word progressive today is often associated with "liberal" and/or "democrat" but in it's orgins in 19th century American politics, it was clearly a republican movement. This is just a [URL='http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=975'][COLOR=red]tip of the iceberg[/COLOR][/URL] but it is food for thought. I also believe a lot of "democrats" today are really republicans in an older sense. On a humorous note, I always liked this quote by [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tucker[/url] As to progressivism being a movement of society elites (WASPs if you will but the truth is much broader) yes, I would concur in that but go one step forward in that the reason these elites do so is to create "their world" and then use gov't as a mechanism to protect those self serving interests. I believe these utopianist have been driving and guiding public policy for years and trying their damnest to make all of us into some single image that their religion drives them towards. In the movie Food Inc. Smithfield Foods has a large plant in NC which it's known by all to employ illegal aliens. To keep a working situation to their liking, the movie clearly showed IMO where Smithfield of some regular basis provided details on where a certain group of aliens live which the Immigration agents would then raid and deport for public consumption and in the meantime Smithfields production line was never impacted. It literally has become a part of the business model. Now we can argue all day long about illegal aliens but the fact remains there is a more unseen gov't/business partnership in this deal so instead of taking it out on the poor alien, we need to take a much closer look elsewhere and if so many businesses moved south of the border and treaties expediated this, then why the problem of so many coming north to find work? Hmmmm! :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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