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<blockquote data-quote="BrownBrokeDown" data-source="post: 1297833" data-attributes="member: 46824"><p>I haven&#039;t spent a lot of time on the this site lately, because my &quot;other&quot; job&#039;s computer doesn&#039;t handle the new format well, but I had to reply to this.&nbsp; I disagree with 9 out of 10 things that Upstate says, but he is 100% correct on this.&nbsp; A lot of people that are not in unions and do not have a family history of unions only see how they are portrayed in public by media, politicians, and groups like Alec.&nbsp; Stereotypes (however true or untrue) run the world today, and ours is not good.&nbsp; The stereotype is Union leaders are crooked, Union workers are lazy, Unions drive companies out of business with their unreasonable demands, it doesn&#039;t matter how hard someone works because the person that has been there 20 years and doesn&#039;t do anything all day long because he cannot be fired due to the Union will get the &quot;promotion&quot;, etc.&nbsp; I have had other carrier&#039;s drivers ask me why UPS pcd&#039;s work so hard when the UPS Freight drivers are all lazy and don&#039;t do anything.&nbsp; I have been told that Unions ruin good companys and force them out of business with their greediness (like Hostess).&nbsp; These people don&#039;t pay as much attention to how the decisions by management affect those same companies (like Hostess).&nbsp; And my personal favorite, &quot;if I can&#039;t have it, why should you get it&quot;.&nbsp; You know, if Occupy Wallstreet or whatever it was called was smart, the leaders could have used the unionized companies that exist today as an example of what is possible, and maybe the publics perception would be different.&nbsp; eg &quot;UPS Parcel employess make the highest wages and have the best benefits in their sector, while UPS Parcel is the most profitable company in their sector.&nbsp; It is possible to actually pay your employees more than minimum wage.&quot;&nbsp; meh, US blue colored workers are screwed in the current political/corporate enviroment, and the public doesn&#039;t see what unionizing could potentially do for them.&nbsp; Most of the public my age and under don&#039;t know any better as the war against unions has been going for a long time at this point, and they can&#039;t be bothered to do actual research other than watching television.&nbsp; Their all mindless sheep, I tell you!!!&nbsp; I don&#039;t see public perception changing anytime soon, either.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="BrownBrokeDown, post: 1297833, member: 46824"] I haven't spent a lot of time on the this site lately, because my "other" job's computer doesn't handle the new format well, but I had to reply to this. I disagree with 9 out of 10 things that Upstate says, but he is 100% correct on this. A lot of people that are not in unions and do not have a family history of unions only see how they are portrayed in public by media, politicians, and groups like Alec. Stereotypes (however true or untrue) run the world today, and ours is not good. The stereotype is Union leaders are crooked, Union workers are lazy, Unions drive companies out of business with their unreasonable demands, it doesn't matter how hard someone works because the person that has been there 20 years and doesn't do anything all day long because he cannot be fired due to the Union will get the "promotion", etc. I have had other carrier's drivers ask me why UPS pcd's work so hard when the UPS Freight drivers are all lazy and don't do anything. I have been told that Unions ruin good companys and force them out of business with their greediness (like Hostess). These people don't pay as much attention to how the decisions by management affect those same companies (like Hostess). And my personal favorite, "if I can't have it, why should you get it". You know, if Occupy Wallstreet or whatever it was called was smart, the leaders could have used the unionized companies that exist today as an example of what is possible, and maybe the publics perception would be different. eg "UPS Parcel employess make the highest wages and have the best benefits in their sector, while UPS Parcel is the most profitable company in their sector. It is possible to actually pay your employees more than minimum wage." meh, US blue colored workers are screwed in the current political/corporate enviroment, and the public doesn't see what unionizing could potentially do for them. Most of the public my age and under don't know any better as the war against unions has been going for a long time at this point, and they can't be bothered to do actual research other than watching television. Their all mindless sheep, I tell you!!! I don't see public perception changing anytime soon, either. [/QUOTE]

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