Cancel culture—-ON TOPIC

zubenelgenubi

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actually that what happens in capitalism with workers and capitalists.

who do you listen to? u said friedman and sowell. now you say not sowell lol. thats good.

Capitalists pay others to do work for them. What difference does it make who I "listen to"? I listen to and read a variety of people. I have heard some of both Friedman and Sowell, all you have ever done is say bad things about them, mostly based on the fact that your "guys" say bad things about them. I don't remember you actually saying anything about their views, just that they are corrupt and dishonest. Guess what, everyone is corrupt and dishonest, at least a little. You listen to people you trust, fine, I have a few of those, and even those guys I disagree with sometimes. I look for ideas that seem the most correct, I don't really care about the character of the person sharing them.
 

rickyb

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Capitalists pay others to do work for them. What difference does it make who I "listen to"? I listen to and read a variety of people. I have heard some of both Friedman and Sowell, all you have ever done is say bad things about them, mostly based on the fact that your "guys" say bad things about them. I don't remember you actually saying anything about their views, just that they are corrupt and dishonest. Guess what, everyone is corrupt and dishonest, at least a little. You listen to people you trust, fine, I have a few of those, and even those guys I disagree with sometimes. I look for ideas that seem the most correct, I don't really care about the character of the person sharing them.
yea exactly. you said 'wanting other people to do your work for you.'. thats what capitalism is and they make money off of it.

ive watched and/or heard critiques of htem both and im not impressed. friedman is anti union lol. it matters because garbage in garbage out.
 

It will be fine

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You can't go around saying inflammatory stuff on Twitter and think you're never gonna get called on it especially if the job you want depends on the votes of people that you publicly insulted. Just the way it is. At the end of the day there's plenty of other people who are qualified for the job who don't have the same baggage. You know what I like most about Merrick Garland? He doesn't have a Twitter account. Future nominees take note.
You’ll have to forgive me if I doubt the sincerity of Republicans when they claim to be upset by Twitter use.
 

zubenelgenubi

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yea exactly. you said 'wanting other people to do your work for you.'. thats what capitalism is and they make money off of it.

ive watched and/or heard critiques of htem both and im not impressed. friedman is anti union lol. it matters because garbage in garbage out.

You were asking me to do your work without the reward of compensation. Very communist, not at all capitalist. And garbage in garbage out explains a lot about how you view the world. You prejudge information, thus erecting a safe wall around you to ward off scary ideas. No problem there
 

rickyb

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You were asking me to do your work without the reward of compensation. Very communist, not at all capitalist. And garbage in garbage out explains a lot about how you view the world. You prejudge information, thus erecting a safe wall around you to ward off scary ideas. No problem there
you talk to me about being afraid of ideas and in favor of communism all the in the same post lol. its you who is afraid like most other ppl.

workers in capitalism are inadequately rewarded compensation for doing the capitalists work because the capitalist takes it for themselves. you would have been rewarded too with memory of what you said. thats adequate for your work of looking it up. im more generous than capitalists who risks workers safety and rip them off.
 

zubenelgenubi

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friedman is anti union lol.

It took me a while to remember this one round table I watched with Friedman wherein he specifically states that unions are freedom of association and have their place in a free market. Then, I believe he said that unions enjoy special protections that other labor organizations do not, and that all labor organizations should have the same protection. That's all I know about his views on unions.
 

zubenelgenubi

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you talk to me about being afraid of ideas and in favor of communism all the in the same post lol. its you who is afraid like most other ppl.

workers in capitalism are inadequately rewarded compensation for doing the capitalists work because the capitalist takes it for themselves. you would have been rewarded too with memory of what you said. thats adequate for your work of looking it up. im more generous than capitalists who risks workers safety and rip them off.

I'm not afraid of the ideas supporting communism, that's why I understand them so well and can speak intelligently about them, and understand why communism doesn't work. You would probably understand those things too, if you didn't assassinate the character of people who express ideas you don't like.
 

vantexan

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I'm not afraid of the ideas supporting communism, that's why I understand them so well and can speak intelligently about them, and understand why communism doesn't work. You would probably understand those things too, if you didn't assassinate the character of people who express ideas you don't like.
The exploitive nature of capitalism with a sizeable percentage of the population being perpetually poor will be why we'll always see various forms of socialism and communism being touted. It may be the best system to provide a living for the most people but there will always be people who buy into utopianism and are even willing to kill to make that happen.
 

zubenelgenubi

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workers in capitalism are inadequately rewarded compensation for doing the capitalists work because the capitalist takes it for themselves. you would have been rewarded too with memory of what you said. thats adequate for your work of looking it up. im more generous than capitalists who risks workers safety and rip them off.

So you are basically saying that the work is it's own reward, that that is adequate, while saying capitalists compensate inadequately. Ok.

I don't need to look up my old posts to remember. The good thing about being honest is not having to keep track of what you said. I said I've listened to Sowell and Friedman, you, apparently, thought that meant I listen to them on a regular basis, and I use their thoughts as my own. You probably assumed that because that is how you form thoughts, by letting certain people tell you what to think. It was your job to prove your claim that I said something I didn't say, but you wanted to make it my job. The party is proud of you, little brother.
 

zubenelgenubi

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The exploitive nature of capitalism with a sizeable percentage of the population being perpetually poor will be why we'll always see various forms of socialism and communism being touted. It may be the best system to provide a living for the most people but there will always be people who buy into utopianism and are even willing to kill to make that happen.

Exploitive is a point of view. Are the business owners exploiting labor? Or are workers exploiting business owners for an easier way to provide a living for themselves. I think it's a mutually beneficial system, and the envious people want to make it a moral issue of "fairness" because some business owners become quite wealthy. They don't pay attention to the ones who fail and end up with nothing. They are too afraid to try themselves, but have no problem judging those who do and succeed.
 

vantexan

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Exploitive is a point of view. Are the business owners exploiting labor? Or are workers exploiting business owners for an easier way to provide a living for themselves. I think it's a mutually beneficial system, and the envious people want to make it a moral issue of "fairness" because some business owners become quite wealthy. They don't pay attention to the ones who fail and end up with nothing. They are too afraid to try themselves, but have no problem judging those who do and succeed.
It really depends on the company. When a company makes promises but doesn't deliver, and over the years you see them making the same promises to newhires then yes, it's exploitive. The dirty little secret of business today with so many good jobs shipped abroad is in order for their business model to work they have to have people willing to work for minimal pay with limited advancement and raises. We've gone from the world's largest middle class to about half the population just trying to stay afloat while the other half does ok all the way up to extremely well. This is a breeding ground for discontent and working towards some socialist utopia. People don't seem to get that as flawed as it may be the alternatives are worse and at least we still have opportunities to better ourselves here. But a guy making X at Office Depot might listen to someone saying that there's plenty of money to go 'round and all that's keeping you from having a great life is the greedy 1%. People want to believe that and when it reaches critical mass, which seems close, we'll have some serious problems.
 

tadpole

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Well, anyway… Back to the topic of cancel culture… I saw that Ben Shapiro tweeted that Fauci should be fired. It made me so happy to see that tweet and I agree with it, but then I realized oh no I am part of cancel culture too. ☹️
 

Baba gounj

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
Well, anyway… Back to the topic of cancel culture… I saw that Ben Shapiro tweeted that Fauci should be fired. It made me so happy to see that tweet and I agree with it, but then I realized oh no I am part of cancel culture too. ☹️
Fauci is a lifelong hack.
Nobody should have to listen to him.
 

vantexan

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Well, anyway… Back to the topic of cancel culture… I saw that Ben Shapiro tweeted that Fauci should be fired. It made me so happy to see that tweet and I agree with it, but then I realized oh no I am part of cancel culture too. ☹️
Not being satisfied with job performance isn't cancel culture. Hounding anyone who doesn't conform to a particular ideology to the point of ruining their financial, personal, and/or political lives is cancel culture.
 

tadpole

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Not being satisfied with job performance isn't cancel culture. Hounding anyone who doesn't conform to a particular ideology to the point of ruining their financial, personal, and/or political lives is cancel culture.
I think you have a good start on defining cancel culture but I’m not sure if that quite explains it perfectly yet. I find your point important, when you mentioned that getting cancelled — it’s not for your performance but for your views.
It gets trickier in a situation like this where your view of someone’s performance greatly depends on your point of view (when it’s politicized).
 

zubenelgenubi

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It really depends on the company. When a company makes promises but doesn't deliver, and over the years you see them making the same promises to newhires then yes, it's exploitive. The dirty little secret of business today with so many good jobs shipped abroad is in order for their business model to work they have to have people willing to work for minimal pay with limited advancement and raises. We've gone from the world's largest middle class to about half the population just trying to stay afloat while the other half does ok all the way up to extremely well. This is a breeding ground for discontent and working towards some socialist utopia. People don't seem to get that as flawed as it may be the alternatives are worse and at least we still have opportunities to better ourselves here. But a guy making X at Office Depot might listen to someone saying that there's plenty of money to go 'round and all that's keeping you from having a great life is the greedy 1%. People want to believe that and when it reaches critical mass, which seems close, we'll have some serious problems.

All the problems from any system are the people. Capitalism is not perfect, but taken as a whole, actually takes human nature and incentives into account. Clearly there are examples of exploitation within capitalistic systems. And crony capitalism, wherein successful businesses lobby to make regulations that prevent their potential competitors from entering the marketplace, are anathema.
 
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