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<blockquote data-quote="104Feeder" data-source="post: 1027978" data-attributes="member: 42554"><p>Well, it's nice to know that you have so little confidence in the current management at UPS to instill our work ethic that it's worth wasting millions each year so that 20-somethings can update their Facebook & text about how much they are going to drink later. I don't have much sympathy since the last few decades UPS has chosen to hire the worst dregs of society instead of the College kids we used to hire. Not that you can't instill our work ethic into most anyone (and especially since we give you 90 days to do it), but there is absolutely no effort made even with the abundance of Polo shirted worthless bodies we have now. I have gotten up in the trailers and helped our loaders, and I notice their production suffers more because of the scanning than because they are slow. When I loaded we did a six sided check and built the wall. Now it's the check, attempt to scan, attempt again, slowly type in the barcode. When I was a loader, we had one supervisor on the "West Wall" which was 25 doors. One in the unload (8 peninsulas), one in the sort aisle, one in the small sort (who also did the NXDA sort), and one on the "White belt" which was 10 doors & he also was in charge of the irreg drivers. Now it's one supervisor for 5 or 6 doors. How did we ever get it done then? </p><p></p><p>I think you are either stuck in your way of thinking or didn't work here when we used to do it differently. Unfortunately, your view seems to be the pervasive one. Instead of just saying I despise management, say I despise <em>today's </em>management and it's because I lived through better. When I was hired, your supervisor looked out for you, he was never looking to get you. Supervisors were very protective of their crews, so much so that I almost saw a fistfight break out after a load wall Supervisor "stole" and unloader from another one. I'm not saying it was harmonious, but we were all in College & it was a good job to get you through school. I can't say it's that way today and none of the kids I ask in the hub are in school, nor do they plan on making UPS a career. Some of us looked at it as getting paid to work out, others just liked the pace. When you were salted, you just fired that salt back at the Sup & he would smirk and walk away (even if you almost hit him in the head). There wasn't any paperwork, mistakes were settled with a verbal dressing down. Of course back then you respected your supervisor also because he dressed like one, not the slackers in polos & shorts we have today. Of course this is all in some way the fault of the Teamsters. </p><p></p><p>Nice to know that UPS has <em>some</em> fear of OSHA, but they would just forge those compliance documents here after giving the inspector the runaround until he left.</p><p></p><p>If $1.4 million is not worth saving, how about throwing it my way?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="104Feeder, post: 1027978, member: 42554"] Well, it's nice to know that you have so little confidence in the current management at UPS to instill our work ethic that it's worth wasting millions each year so that 20-somethings can update their Facebook & text about how much they are going to drink later. I don't have much sympathy since the last few decades UPS has chosen to hire the worst dregs of society instead of the College kids we used to hire. Not that you can't instill our work ethic into most anyone (and especially since we give you 90 days to do it), but there is absolutely no effort made even with the abundance of Polo shirted worthless bodies we have now. I have gotten up in the trailers and helped our loaders, and I notice their production suffers more because of the scanning than because they are slow. When I loaded we did a six sided check and built the wall. Now it's the check, attempt to scan, attempt again, slowly type in the barcode. When I was a loader, we had one supervisor on the "West Wall" which was 25 doors. One in the unload (8 peninsulas), one in the sort aisle, one in the small sort (who also did the NXDA sort), and one on the "White belt" which was 10 doors & he also was in charge of the irreg drivers. Now it's one supervisor for 5 or 6 doors. How did we ever get it done then? I think you are either stuck in your way of thinking or didn't work here when we used to do it differently. Unfortunately, your view seems to be the pervasive one. Instead of just saying I despise management, say I despise [I]today's [/I]management and it's because I lived through better. When I was hired, your supervisor looked out for you, he was never looking to get you. Supervisors were very protective of their crews, so much so that I almost saw a fistfight break out after a load wall Supervisor "stole" and unloader from another one. I'm not saying it was harmonious, but we were all in College & it was a good job to get you through school. I can't say it's that way today and none of the kids I ask in the hub are in school, nor do they plan on making UPS a career. Some of us looked at it as getting paid to work out, others just liked the pace. When you were salted, you just fired that salt back at the Sup & he would smirk and walk away (even if you almost hit him in the head). There wasn't any paperwork, mistakes were settled with a verbal dressing down. Of course back then you respected your supervisor also because he dressed like one, not the slackers in polos & shorts we have today. Of course this is all in some way the fault of the Teamsters. Nice to know that UPS has [I]some[/I] fear of OSHA, but they would just forge those compliance documents here after giving the inspector the runaround until he left. If $1.4 million is not worth saving, how about throwing it my way? [/QUOTE]
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