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Message: <blockquote data-quote="realbrown1" data-source="post: 1708172" data-attributes="member: 46221">Lincoln said over and over if the south would not have secceeded, slavery would have remained where it already existed.So if the south believed him and stayed in the union, and Lincoln won re-election in 1865, that means slavery would have stay in place until at least 1869 instead of 1865 with the 13th Amendment.The South secceeding did bring about a quicker end of slavery in our nation.Unless you can give me a scenario that works that frees the slaves sooner.Can you do that?Is there a scenario where the southern states free their slave before 1865, without going to war?</blockquote>