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<blockquote data-quote="Mugarolla" data-source="post: 2682989" data-attributes="member: 8481"><p>Nope. I said "may" because it did not go down that way. It did not happen that way. If it had, I would have accepted it, sooner or later, for being good for the whole. But, it did not have to happen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Negotiations 101. Start high, ask for the world, bluff.</p><p></p><p>There was absolutely no talk, on either side, of this healthcare issue affecting any other part of the negotiations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Eventually, if that was the only way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They wanted everyone out for the same reason they just spent billions buying out pensions. Investors.</p><p></p><p>UPS wants to eliminate all unknown future costs because investors do not like unknown costs.</p><p></p><p>For the same reason UPS wants a matching 401K instead of a defined pension for all new employees. No hidden future costs. All for the investors.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So it is my fault that I had a better health plan than you? You said you were happy with Teamcare. You were content. You didn't want to fight to make yours better, so why should I fight for you.</p><p></p><p>So don't blame me for fighting to keep mine the same?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You would rather bring me down to your level instead of fighting to come up to my level. That's the union way, in your eyes, I guess. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Should the new drivers, who probably work harder than you and I combined, be paid more?</p><p></p><p>Well, wait a minute. They are actually paid less, much less, for 4 years. I guess that is the union way.</p><p></p><p>But wait, there is light at the end of the tunnel. After 4 years they will be making the same as everyone else, wait, except for the new hires behind him making $15/hr less.</p><p></p><p>The union stance. The same for everyone. Right.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, tell that to the new hires, or all the other healthplans out there that are not the same as Teamcare, of which there are many.</p><p></p><p>Or all the different pensions out there, of which, mine is one of the lowest.</p><p></p><p>Same job, same benefits. Yea, right. Maybe in theory.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mugarolla, post: 2682989, member: 8481"] Nope. I said "may" because it did not go down that way. It did not happen that way. If it had, I would have accepted it, sooner or later, for being good for the whole. But, it did not have to happen. Negotiations 101. Start high, ask for the world, bluff. There was absolutely no talk, on either side, of this healthcare issue affecting any other part of the negotiations. Eventually, if that was the only way. They wanted everyone out for the same reason they just spent billions buying out pensions. Investors. UPS wants to eliminate all unknown future costs because investors do not like unknown costs. For the same reason UPS wants a matching 401K instead of a defined pension for all new employees. No hidden future costs. All for the investors. So it is my fault that I had a better health plan than you? You said you were happy with Teamcare. You were content. You didn't want to fight to make yours better, so why should I fight for you. So don't blame me for fighting to keep mine the same? You would rather bring me down to your level instead of fighting to come up to my level. That's the union way, in your eyes, I guess. Should the new drivers, who probably work harder than you and I combined, be paid more? Well, wait a minute. They are actually paid less, much less, for 4 years. I guess that is the union way. But wait, there is light at the end of the tunnel. After 4 years they will be making the same as everyone else, wait, except for the new hires behind him making $15/hr less. The union stance. The same for everyone. Right. Again, tell that to the new hires, or all the other healthplans out there that are not the same as Teamcare, of which there are many. Or all the different pensions out there, of which, mine is one of the lowest. Same job, same benefits. Yea, right. Maybe in theory. [/QUOTE]
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