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<blockquote data-quote="maxicoze" data-source="post: 3676230" data-attributes="member: 66283"><p>i feel it's best to be honest, on my part, and put it on the table so we can really discuss the matter intelligently.</p><p></p><p>Despite what i'm about to say, this DOES NOT mean i'm going to vote yes.</p><p></p><p>From what i've seen and heard, i don't think it's THAT bad BECAUSE:</p><p></p><p>1) .72 cpm. Who makes .72 cpm? i understand that by the end of the contract, 5 yrs. later, the pay will only go up to .73 cpm. But will all the other carriers catch up and also be paying anywhere near that?</p><p></p><p>2) Subcontracting: i can't comment on IF there are indeed road drivers sitting while contractors take loads out. i CAN say with authority that myself and all other road drivers at my terminal and the 3 nearest terminals to mine ARE working regularly and could run their a@#$es off if they wanted to. i think my paychecks in the ups diary thread prove this. </p><p></p><p>i have sat out due to no loads maybe 3 times so far and for me personally, it was welcomed so i could have a break. Some rest. Only <u><strong>3 times in the past 6 months.</strong></u> (i should note that i have an NG----non-guaranteed xtra board run)</p><p></p><p>The bottom line is that the company needs to move the freight and we don't have enough company drivers to do it, based on my observations. Now, if there are indeed company drivers sitting by the phone while subcontractors take out loads, then that is a problem that needs to be addressed.</p><p></p><p>3) hourly pay will only go up $2ish to $30 by the end of the contract. Again, who pays $30 dollars? Would we be making $30 if we we're still non-union Overnite?</p><p></p><p>For #1 and #3, the company cannot reasonably pay too much more and still be profitable. Companies such as Old dominion, Saia, estes etc. ARE eating our lunch and ARE up and coming and ARE poised to overtake us AND they need to be reckoned with.</p><p></p><p>Forget about the union and the contract for a minute and pretend that it doesn't exist. <u><strong>Is .72 cpm and $28.65 good pay irregardless of anything else?</strong></u></p><p></p><p></p><p>4) One good thing is the 11 hour rule: That is you can't be forced to work more than 11 hours a day, unless your the bottom man/woman. OR you happen to get back to the terminal last and there's no one else below you left. This is big, i think.</p><p></p><p>Again, all of this does not mean i'm voting yes. This is my first contract re-negotiation. And, as far as LTL freight, my ONLY contract i've ever had.</p><p></p><p>There is much more to discuss, i'm sure, but i'm very tired at the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="maxicoze, post: 3676230, member: 66283"] i feel it's best to be honest, on my part, and put it on the table so we can really discuss the matter intelligently. Despite what i'm about to say, this DOES NOT mean i'm going to vote yes. From what i've seen and heard, i don't think it's THAT bad BECAUSE: 1) .72 cpm. Who makes .72 cpm? i understand that by the end of the contract, 5 yrs. later, the pay will only go up to .73 cpm. But will all the other carriers catch up and also be paying anywhere near that? 2) Subcontracting: i can't comment on IF there are indeed road drivers sitting while contractors take loads out. i CAN say with authority that myself and all other road drivers at my terminal and the 3 nearest terminals to mine ARE working regularly and could run their a@#$es off if they wanted to. i think my paychecks in the ups diary thread prove this. i have sat out due to no loads maybe 3 times so far and for me personally, it was welcomed so i could have a break. Some rest. Only [U][B]3 times in the past 6 months.[/B][/U] (i should note that i have an NG----non-guaranteed xtra board run) [U][B][/B][/U] The bottom line is that the company needs to move the freight and we don't have enough company drivers to do it, based on my observations. Now, if there are indeed company drivers sitting by the phone while subcontractors take out loads, then that is a problem that needs to be addressed. 3) hourly pay will only go up $2ish to $30 by the end of the contract. Again, who pays $30 dollars? Would we be making $30 if we we're still non-union Overnite? For #1 and #3, the company cannot reasonably pay too much more and still be profitable. Companies such as Old dominion, Saia, estes etc. ARE eating our lunch and ARE up and coming and ARE poised to overtake us AND they need to be reckoned with. Forget about the union and the contract for a minute and pretend that it doesn't exist. [U][B]Is .72 cpm and $28.65 good pay irregardless of anything else?[/B][/U] 4) One good thing is the 11 hour rule: That is you can't be forced to work more than 11 hours a day, unless your the bottom man/woman. OR you happen to get back to the terminal last and there's no one else below you left. This is big, i think. Again, all of this does not mean i'm voting yes. This is my first contract re-negotiation. And, as far as LTL freight, my ONLY contract i've ever had. There is much more to discuss, i'm sure, but i'm very tired at the moment. [/QUOTE]
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