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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 202412" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>No Spin,</p><p> </p><p>Current retirees would have no connection whatsoever to an APWA retirement plan so the comment above is meaningless especially to a current retiree or anyone else who retires that doesn't have any service credits with the APWA plan. And to my knowledge, there's no one on the planet who has any credit so there you go. </p><p> </p><p>IMHO, it's ashame an idea like APWA got hijacked by a bunch of folks like yourself who IMO have in the end done a great disservice to the whole idea. I consider Van Skillman and Danny Eason as great UPSers as their efforts have opened up a box that for so long we UPS Teamsters have not had the courage to look into and in saying "WE" I include myself in that. When "Sawman" and the like first appeared here with APWA promises of glory and grandure, I contacted Van directly to ask a number of questions and he was very direct and specific on a number of issues and I've always respected that directness and honesty regarding these issues. To many cases the IBT would tell you what you wanted to hear rather than the truth and thus we find ourselves where we are with Central States for example. Van acknowledged certain areas would not be perfect and that one of them concerned pass work credit for retirement purposes. He specifically told me at this point he saw no way to recapture that for inclusion in the APWA and that only work credit under an APWA plan would be counted towards APWA pension credit. He admitted he would love to go back and capture all credits for all UPSers (working and retired) but he saw no means or mechanism to do that and so far in the email newsletters I get from Danny or other public info via their website, I've seen absolutely nothing from Van or Danny themselves to make me think the conditions that Van and I spoke of about 2 years ago have changed at all.</p><p> </p><p>I happen to believe in a UPS only union and I do think Van and Danny do have a model worth discussing and giving consideration for. At the same time, guys like yourself IMO are doing a great disservice to that effort and mostly by throwing out scenarios that IMO are not germain to the real conditions. Perfect example is your comments quoted above!</p><p> </p><p>JMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 202412, member: 2189"] No Spin, Current retirees would have no connection whatsoever to an APWA retirement plan so the comment above is meaningless especially to a current retiree or anyone else who retires that doesn't have any service credits with the APWA plan. And to my knowledge, there's no one on the planet who has any credit so there you go. IMHO, it's ashame an idea like APWA got hijacked by a bunch of folks like yourself who IMO have in the end done a great disservice to the whole idea. I consider Van Skillman and Danny Eason as great UPSers as their efforts have opened up a box that for so long we UPS Teamsters have not had the courage to look into and in saying "WE" I include myself in that. When "Sawman" and the like first appeared here with APWA promises of glory and grandure, I contacted Van directly to ask a number of questions and he was very direct and specific on a number of issues and I've always respected that directness and honesty regarding these issues. To many cases the IBT would tell you what you wanted to hear rather than the truth and thus we find ourselves where we are with Central States for example. Van acknowledged certain areas would not be perfect and that one of them concerned pass work credit for retirement purposes. He specifically told me at this point he saw no way to recapture that for inclusion in the APWA and that only work credit under an APWA plan would be counted towards APWA pension credit. He admitted he would love to go back and capture all credits for all UPSers (working and retired) but he saw no means or mechanism to do that and so far in the email newsletters I get from Danny or other public info via their website, I've seen absolutely nothing from Van or Danny themselves to make me think the conditions that Van and I spoke of about 2 years ago have changed at all. I happen to believe in a UPS only union and I do think Van and Danny do have a model worth discussing and giving consideration for. At the same time, guys like yourself IMO are doing a great disservice to that effort and mostly by throwing out scenarios that IMO are not germain to the real conditions. Perfect example is your comments quoted above! JMHO [/QUOTE]
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