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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4931069" data-attributes="member: 63706">You said the doctors had to report what their patients say, which is not necessarily true. It&#039;s in the link. There is a list put out by the manufacturers of known side effects, and one of possible side effects. If a patient is suffering from some complication that&#039;s listed on the one list, Doctors are required to report it. On the other list, they are recommended to report it. Some symptoms the doctors can verify that the patient is suffering, some they can&#039;t, but it isn&#039;t as simple as &quot;they are required to report whatever the patient says&quot;. I tell you what, I&#039;ll try to use easier words from now on, maybe keep it to one or two concepts at a time.Likely, but it&#039;s unlikely that it&#039;s always possible to prove causal connections even when they exist. This is why double blind random controlled experiments are necessary.Last I checked, posters on brown cafe don&#039;t face criminal charges for posting their nonsense. Some probably should, though... <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/laughing.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":laughing:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :laughing:" data-shortname=":laughing:" /> They should never have done most of the things they did to begin with. This entire turning control over to guys in white lab coats thing was a horrifying display of disregard for our individual liberties.Government officials implying they have no choice but to follow the directions of the scientists. The scientists saying &quot;we&#039;re just making recommendations, don&#039;t blame us. But really, you have to do everything we say or everyone will die, and that is so clearly true that we have to keep people from saying any different.&quot; Disgusting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4931069, member: 63706"] You said the doctors had to report what their patients say, which is not necessarily true. It's in the link. There is a list put out by the manufacturers of known side effects, and one of possible side effects. If a patient is suffering from some complication that's listed on the one list, Doctors are required to report it. On the other list, they are recommended to report it. Some symptoms the doctors can verify that the patient is suffering, some they can't, but it isn't as simple as "they are required to report whatever the patient says". I tell you what, [I]I'll[/I] try to use easier words from now on, maybe keep it to one or two concepts at a time. Likely, but it's unlikely that it's always possible to prove causal connections even when they exist. This is why double blind random controlled experiments are necessary. Last I checked, posters on brown cafe don't face criminal charges for posting their nonsense. Some probably should, though... :laughing: They should never have done most of the things they did to begin with. This entire turning control over to guys in white lab coats thing was a horrifying display of disregard for our individual liberties. Government officials implying they have no choice but to follow the directions of the scientists. The scientists saying "we're just making recommendations, don't blame us. But really, you have to do everything we say or everyone will die, and that is so clearly true that we have to keep people from saying any different." Disgusting. [/QUOTE]

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