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<blockquote data-quote="DriveInDriѵeOut" data-source="post: 1199250" data-attributes="member: 44954">I&#039;m not trying to win a political point.&nbsp; I&#039;m not a liberal.&nbsp; I&#039;m not making it about legal gun owners.&nbsp; I have a handgun carry permit and have inherited a good number of guns from my parents and grandparents that mean a lot to me.&nbsp; I still think there should be better background checks for gun purchases, and better training for those who carry in public.&nbsp; Maybe the problem is that neither anti nor pro gun people will give an inch.... It&#039;s always this all or nothing attitude from both sides.About the race issue...I agree with what you&#039;re saying, my response was in regards to your first post where you didn&#039;t say any of that, you just said that you DO think it is about race:I get now that you were just pointing out that a disproportionate amount of the homicides are committed by African Americans.&nbsp; That&#039;s not how the statement came across though.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all that important that they&#039;re black, and more important that they are born into families of poverty and multi-generational dependence. As long as we continue to define people by their race, we will always have one group with more or less rights than another.While I agree that a lot of the problems go back to the parents, just saying they need to step up and take care of their kids doesn&#039;t accomplish anything..... many simply won&#039;t, or don&#039;t know how because they never had an example of what a good parent is.&nbsp; Better education, which you mentioned, is something we can definitely agree would help.&nbsp; After school programs to keep them off the street seems like common sense too.&nbsp; It&#039;s a huge problem that no one solution will fix.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DriveInDriѵeOut, post: 1199250, member: 44954"] I'm not trying to win a political point. I'm not a liberal. I'm not making it about legal gun owners. I have a handgun carry permit and have inherited a good number of guns from my parents and grandparents that mean a lot to me. I still think there should be better background checks for gun purchases, and better training for those who carry in public. Maybe the problem is that neither anti nor pro gun people will give an inch.... It's always this all or nothing attitude from both sides. About the race issue...I agree with what you're saying, my response was in regards to your first post where you didn't say any of that, you just said that you DO think it is about race: I get now that you were just pointing out that a disproportionate amount of the homicides are committed by African Americans. That's not how the statement came across though. I don't think it's all that important that they're black, and more important that they are born into families of poverty and multi-generational dependence. As long as we continue to define people by their race, we will always have one group with more or less rights than another. While I agree that a lot of the problems go back to the parents, just saying they need to step up and take care of their kids doesn't accomplish anything..... many simply won't, or don't know how because they never had an example of what a good parent is. Better education, which you mentioned, is something we can definitely agree would help. After school programs to keep them off the street seems like common sense too. It's a huge problem that no one solution will fix. [/QUOTE]

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