Dear Scott Davis

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by tieguy, Dec 5, 2008.


Should Christmas be sacred.

  1. Yes. keep this day a special time for employees to relax and celebrate with their families.

    80 vote(s)
  2. I disagree its important we maintain our competitive edge.

    22 vote(s)
  1. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Dear Scott,

    While I'm sure the practice has been in place prior to your taking over as CEO of this company the time has come to end a negative trend that violates the rights of your employees to enjoy christmas. While we have days that are labeled "holidays" we continue to violate those days in effort to remain competitive and to provide a service that is superior to our competitors. I am asking you to make a decision to keep Christmas sacred. Once again our plans call to pick up air on christmas eve. We will then run air operations and feeders on christmas day in order to make a committment to our customers that violates our employees rights to spend christmas with their families. I am asking you to become the Ebeneezer Scrooge that discovers the joy of christmas. Say no to air pickups on christmas eve. Pass a mandate that the entire orginization must shut down on christmas day. Insist that our people spend christmas day with their families. Make this committment unconditional. Our employees have worked hard for you all year meeting and exceeding superior committments to the customers. Keep Christmas sacred. Please make this decision in favor of our employees over our customers for this one special day each year.
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2008
  2. bluehdmc

    bluehdmc Well-Known Member

    I'm one of those people that disagrees, not necessarily to "keep our competitive edge", but for the reason that this country was founded on religous freedoms. (the pilgrims). To people of other faiths, Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, etc. Christmas is just another day, and an inconvienence because all the stores, etc. are closed.
    I'm not trying to downplay the day, but when words like sacred are used, I start getting nervous. There are people of other faiths that work in my center and they've taken their holidays off, maybe a better solution would be to try to ask those that do not celebrate Christmas to volunteer to work to allow those that do celebrate the holiday to spend it with their families
  3. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Excellent thread. I would take family over money any day and twice on Sunday.

    On a somewhat related note, I can recall the arguments when states in New England began to repeal "Blue Laws", which were laws which dictated what days stores could be open. Traditionally stores would be closed on Sunday to allow familes to worship together. Of course, today little is sacred--KMart was even open on Thanksgiving--but perhaps a return to more traditional values is what this country needs.
  4. longlunchguy

    longlunchguy Runnin on Empty

    I, too, remember when stores were closed on sundays. In the early 1970s the store I worked at decided to open for limited hours on Sunday. They paid time and a half for that day. Now it seems Sunday is just another day. I'm not deeply religous, but I believe we should all slow down a little and enjoy family and some time away from the daily grind. Unfortunately, to quote John Lennon, Money changes everything.
  5. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Although technically I agree with Ties post, I think there are always people that will work holidays.

    We had a sign up list for Thanksgiving Day, and there were names on it.
  6. JustTired

    JustTired free at last.......

    Oh boy! You've struck a nerve with me, now.

    Just exactly when was it that we started losing those "traditional values"?

    As a kid growing up in the 50s-60s, I look back and think how great it was. Ours was a most likely lower middle-class family. We had a roof over our heads and didn't seem to lack for much. Of course, we didn't have the latest and greatest when it came to possessions, but I think over all we did alright. Did my parents have a credit card? I doubt it early on. This would change in time.

    Back then...eating at a restaraunt was a big deal and didn't happen that often. Most Sundays were spent at my grandparents with a big meal that to this day I miss most of all. If not the company....surely the food. After the meal, sitting on the front porch in the warm months watching the world go by seemed to be entertainment enough.

    We, as kids, had no problem finding things to do during the schooless summer months. And the only reason you would even think of staying inside was if you were sick. I could go on and on just talking about this.

    I guess my point is.......are we all better off today?

    While I'm no longer in the "rat race", I would think the majority are so far in debt and so swept up in what they think it means to be happy.....that it leaves little time for the simple things that families will remember long after it has happened.

    I think we need to step back several giant steps and reevaluate what's important and meaningful. It's not having the "latest and greatest" that will's having the "nearest and dearest".

    Not working Christmas day would be a start, I guess.
  7. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    Excellent - your statement "..We, as kids, had no problem finding things to do during the schooless summer months. And the only reason you would even think of staying inside was if you were sick...."

    No X-Box, no cell-phones, and I never remember being bored.

    I would venture a guess that people signing up for Christmas/Thanksgiving needed the $$$. I know I would take the work if I did not have other plans.

    Times have changed - you won't get them back. Values have been eroding for a long time.
  8. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Since roughly 78% of the US population is of Christian background which recognizes Christmas that pretty much would cover a vote if taken to keeping the holiday a work free day. Would you consider it fair to force people to work on a day they think to be sacred so (roughly) 22% of the people are not inconvenienced for one day a year?
    Here there is a large hobby/craft store that because of the owners religious views is closed on Sundays, I have been "inconvenienced" by this but I sure don't expect them to make their employees work just for me.

    Not wanting this to turn into a "religion" thread, I have said all I will say on that aspect.

    Now the wording in the poll says "keep this day a special time for employees to relax and celebrate with their families", not sacred. So I will vote to keep this holiday as special as I can.

    What worries me is that 4 people on this board have voted " I disagree its important we maintain our competitive edge.". If one day out of the year is going to make that much difference in UPS's competitiveness we all better be looking for another job starting today.
  9. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Very good post, unfortunately I have no idea how to re-establish the good solid values that once were the norm and not the exception.
  10. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    I think the bottom line, at UPS at least, is this. You think UPS will make a big change to benefit employees?
  11. chev

    chev Nightcrawler

    This country WAS founded on Christian principals they can stand to be "inconvenienced" for ONE damn day.
    What will they take from us next? Arbor day? :wink2:
  12. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    I have to hand it to Tie again. Excellent post!:congrats:

    Even I am old enough to have been in on the tail end of JT's comments about kids going outside to play. I didn't have all stuff that is available these days. I remember during the summer when it was raining, building dams in the gutter and floating hand made boats down the 'river'.

    As far as the excellent customer service that we provide, there will always be those that are not happy. No matter what we do to accomodate. The Mon after Thanksgiving I went in to pick up one of my daily p/u's. The lady at the desk was bitching because her ground envelope didn't get picked up on Fri. I tried to explain to her that it was a holiday and we only did air but all she wanted to do was argue. It quickly became apparent that there was nothing I was going to say that was going to make her happy. Some people just don't get it.
  13. LiL"Comet"

    LiL"Comet" New Member

    Great Post!!! Sundays is a ritual with our family, lunch after church around 1:00pm with all the trimmings. Its great we always take time for anyone to share something before the meal for prayer for someone or whatever need be, then we ask thanks for our blessings and dig in. After every-one's finished get all the dishes cleaned up, the kids go outside to play with their cousins climbing trees, jumping on Paw Paws trlr (which is a no no) and just whatever they can get into. LOL There's always pecan pie, pineapple upside down cake or some kind of yummy desert but it never fails the kids are like clock work about the time we get everything cleaned up they want a cone of ice cream and to them it wouldn't be nanny's without ice cream.

    In our culture today we are continuing to take all the sacredness out of everything we have built our history on IMHO. I feel like at every holiday there's no respect given to those who are the reason there is a holiday. The only thing kids like about a holiday these days is getting out of school to play the WII's not what the holiday is celebrating. Veteran's, Thanksgiving, and Christmas are days among others that time should be taken out for our family, friends, and pay our respects to those who the holiday celebrates. I believe some if not a lot of kids are not even taught the basic principals at home they should have instilled in them from day one that's not something taught but rather a way of life. Respecting there elders, being able to open a door for someone else and not trying to get everything given to them instead of working for it.

    Respect is a soap box for me sorry but it is, that's something that really gets to my last nerve. It seems as Theo we grow less respectful to one another by the day. Like for example my kids calling one another an idiot or another name that's totally not exceptable in my house. Just the other day my son got his mouth washed out with soap for saying something he shouldn't have. When they are fighting about something I make them stop tell something good about their brother or sister. Which it's good when I'm driving down the road cuz they can't the look on my face after hearing what they are saying along with the look the have on their face. LOL:happy-very:

    We should not have to work Christmas eve or Christmas day dare I say the day after Christmas as well.
  14. mattwtrs

    mattwtrs Retired Senior Member

    Great idea, Of course this will be my first Christmas eve in 35 years that that my wife won't be wondering what time I will be getting home.

    Bring back the Traditional values!
  15. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    UPS should have a catered feast a week before Christmas for all employees & family. Best couple million bucks UPS would ever spend.
  16. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    BBAG....if UPS did that, someone would surely complain about the gravy being cold or the meat not tasting right. Won't work !!
  17. Leftinbuilding

    Leftinbuilding Active Member

    Tie, I think I must have missed something here. Is this (working Christmas) being considered, or are you trying to "head it off at the pass"? Jim Casey had only been gone a few years, but I wonder if he would recognize his company. From the little I have studied him, I don't think anyone would have had the guts to even suggest working Christmas day. Amazing.
  18. dannyboy

    dannyboy From the promised LAND


    for the most part, i agree. family time at ups is hard to come by, and should be cherished when ever possible.

    that being said, there are a lot of arguments that the 25th of december has no real significance than a few years back, someone said so. Traditionally and originally, the 25th of december was a german pagan holiday. so as far as sincere christians that have never known the truth, sorry. but it is what it is.

    as for ups working on christmas day, we only provide a service. it is the people that think so little of anyone else that insist on a christmas day delivery that are running the show. and after the show at walmart this year, i have come to the belief that the christmas as you know it has come under assault. not because of money, but selfishness. on the part of so many. and wanting deliveries on the only day even walmart closes says loads about ups.

    bring back the spirit of christmas, the helping your neighbor who has been laid off with groceries for his family, the elderly couple that had their car break down with no way to fix it, and the child who has parents that will take what ever gift you buy back for beer money. but instead we walk or run right by these to get the latest game for the xbox, ii, or whatever floats the stores bottom line.

  19. Covemastah

    Covemastah Suspension Ovah !!! Tom is free FU Goodell !!

    wow thats a suprise ovah!!!! the same guys all the time,and the same guys that would file for holiday pay on a mon nite for labor day and mem day if givin sunday nite off and told to work mon nite RIGHT!!!!
  20. Covemastah

    Covemastah Suspension Ovah !!! Tom is free FU Goodell !!

    Merry Christmas,,Merry Christmas ,,Merry Christmas!!!! I hope i have offended somebody here!!!!! I think the moral fiber of this country began with the removal of GOD from the schools,,, I'm not a religious nut by no means ,but look at all the far out nuts from that court decision onward!! Well in a democracy,the majority rules,Jesus stays!! If you dont like it,lady Liberty wont keep yah here, the door is allways open to go back to your country where you could be killed or locked up for speaking your mind !!! Merry Christmas!!!!