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<blockquote data-quote="diesel96" data-source="post: 314135" data-attributes="member: 9859"><p><span style="color: blue">Maybe you need a history lesson:</span></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080225144359/http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20080225144359/http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm</a></p><p><span style="color: blue">Republicans= Liberal spendors</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Democrats= fiscally Conservative</span></p><p></p><p>Don't give me this BS about Florida loosing its tourists or destroying its eco system by letting oil companies drill of its coast. You may want to stop to smell the hydrocarbons because Cuba is already drilling right off your coastline. One should look at the real picture before trying to answer complicated questions with naive, simplistic solutions.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue">Drilling off cuban waters in the Florida straits by Chinese contractors who are not well versed with emergency clean up procedures is very worriesome. A spill oozing on to the coastline of the Keys would be catistrophic whether you think is BS or not. </span></p><p><span style="color: blue">"Stop and smell the hydrocarbons" No Thx Mr Non-Native Oil Junky, I think we'd rather smell, frolic, and fish in our clean ocean and breathe our own fresh ocean air.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is funny what you say about Iraq. Ten years ago Iraq was severely limited in what oil it could export yet oil was running less than $20/barrel. Why are they all of a sudden the major reason it is over $100/barrel today? I can't point to any direct threat to Iran as far as bombings go, but if you want to see real turmoil just let Iran's leader build a nuclear weapon or two. He has already promised to wipe Israel off the face of the planet, and I will guarantee you those same people who think we are their greatest security issue will be begging for our help should the unthinkable occur.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue">Nothing's funny what I said about Iraq. Turmoil, war, death, tensions amongst nieghoring countries in the Middle East all contributes to rising oil prices.</span></p><p><span style="color: blue">You wanted an example of how GW is partially responsible for rising oil prices, I gave you one.</span></p><p><span style="color: blue">BTW, Iran's leader is not who you think it is:</span></p><p><span style="color: blue">That person is Khamenei, not Ahmedinejad--The only person powerful enough to make deals and deliver concessions. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Besides, I'd be a little nervous if I were them when you have Presidential hopefuls like McClain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran in 1950's duo whop style.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Um, hello? Mcfly? Are you there? We went into Iraq with a whole coalition of other countries. In fact many of those countries still have troops in Iraq to this day. Our troops may be in the majority over there, but this is a common theme over history of letting the U.S. bear the brunt of the work.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue">Now Biff, tell me, how many are still pursuing in a combative manner, or have left behind a miniscule amount of token troops to appease our administration. Haven't we learned our lessons of the past to bear the brunt of the work?</span></p><p></p><p>Last I checked there hasn't been any real peace in the middle east for the last 1000 years. I really can't blame Israel for their actions over there. Israel took that land they have when they were attacked. Now Palestinians, and the rest of the muslim world think it is their right to have it back? With all the violence directed at Israel by groups such as Hamas I really can't blame Israel for not wanting to give up much of their land. Most of those who claim to want peace only want the destruction of Israel and that will not happen. Very little of this can be affected by us or anyone else for that matter. You can't end eons of hatred with a few peace talks. Both sides have to be fully willing, and able to do what is necessary before true peace is achieved, and sadly that will not occur even during our great great grand children's lifetime.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue">That's where you got it wrong "my friend" (Mcclain talk), It's NOT their land that they forcibly took. They have expanded past the Oslo accords let alone are lucky and should be thankful where they were displaced after WWII in the first place. But with the help of our money and weapontry and their now thriving economy they do have every right to protect themselves but not expand the terroitories of the original inhabitants. This is one of the root causes of bad blood in the middle east and our noticably favortism toward Isreal then turn around and call some rich Arab oil countries our ally also. It's so transparent, no wonder where not getting anywhere with peace talks, especially with neo cons in charge.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="diesel96, post: 314135, member: 9859"] [COLOR=blue]Maybe you need a history lesson:[/COLOR] [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20080225144359/http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm[/url] [COLOR=blue]Republicans= Liberal spendors[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Democrats= fiscally Conservative[/COLOR] Don't give me this BS about Florida loosing its tourists or destroying its eco system by letting oil companies drill of its coast. You may want to stop to smell the hydrocarbons because Cuba is already drilling right off your coastline. One should look at the real picture before trying to answer complicated questions with naive, simplistic solutions. [COLOR=blue]Drilling off cuban waters in the Florida straits by Chinese contractors who are not well versed with emergency clean up procedures is very worriesome. A spill oozing on to the coastline of the Keys would be catistrophic whether you think is BS or not. "Stop and smell the hydrocarbons" No Thx Mr Non-Native Oil Junky, I think we'd rather smell, frolic, and fish in our clean ocean and breathe our own fresh ocean air.[/COLOR] That is funny what you say about Iraq. Ten years ago Iraq was severely limited in what oil it could export yet oil was running less than $20/barrel. Why are they all of a sudden the major reason it is over $100/barrel today? I can't point to any direct threat to Iran as far as bombings go, but if you want to see real turmoil just let Iran's leader build a nuclear weapon or two. He has already promised to wipe Israel off the face of the planet, and I will guarantee you those same people who think we are their greatest security issue will be begging for our help should the unthinkable occur. [COLOR=blue]Nothing's funny what I said about Iraq. Turmoil, war, death, tensions amongst nieghoring countries in the Middle East all contributes to rising oil prices. You wanted an example of how GW is partially responsible for rising oil prices, I gave you one. BTW, Iran's leader is not who you think it is: That person is Khamenei, not Ahmedinejad--The only person powerful enough to make deals and deliver concessions. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Besides, I'd be a little nervous if I were them when you have Presidential hopefuls like McClain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran in 1950's duo whop style.[/COLOR] Um, hello? Mcfly? Are you there? We went into Iraq with a whole coalition of other countries. In fact many of those countries still have troops in Iraq to this day. Our troops may be in the majority over there, but this is a common theme over history of letting the U.S. bear the brunt of the work. [COLOR=blue]Now Biff, tell me, how many are still pursuing in a combative manner, or have left behind a miniscule amount of token troops to appease our administration. Haven't we learned our lessons of the past to bear the brunt of the work?[/COLOR] Last I checked there hasn't been any real peace in the middle east for the last 1000 years. I really can't blame Israel for their actions over there. Israel took that land they have when they were attacked. Now Palestinians, and the rest of the muslim world think it is their right to have it back? With all the violence directed at Israel by groups such as Hamas I really can't blame Israel for not wanting to give up much of their land. Most of those who claim to want peace only want the destruction of Israel and that will not happen. Very little of this can be affected by us or anyone else for that matter. You can't end eons of hatred with a few peace talks. Both sides have to be fully willing, and able to do what is necessary before true peace is achieved, and sadly that will not occur even during our great great grand children's lifetime. [COLOR=blue]That's where you got it wrong "my friend" (Mcclain talk), It's NOT their land that they forcibly took. They have expanded past the Oslo accords let alone are lucky and should be thankful where they were displaced after WWII in the first place. But with the help of our money and weapontry and their now thriving economy they do have every right to protect themselves but not expand the terroitories of the original inhabitants. This is one of the root causes of bad blood in the middle east and our noticably favortism toward Isreal then turn around and call some rich Arab oil countries our ally also. It's so transparent, no wonder where not getting anywhere with peace talks, especially with neo cons in charge.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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