Difference between SHALL and WILL

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by loserupser, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. loserupser

    loserupser Two minute Therapist

    Ok so reading the proposed contract(705), I noticed the language, can anyone enlighten me?:confused2::confused2:
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2008
  2. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

  3. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    no difference, just diff preference of a different writer
  4. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Its more definitive thats why they were switched.
  5. loserupser

    loserupser Two minute Therapist

    so why is the company fighting it?
  6. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    That has been tentatively agreed so far.
  7. dillweed

    dillweed Well-Known Member

    Encarta® World English Dictionary, North American Edition

    shall [ stressed shal, unstressed shəl ] (2nd person present plural shalt (archaic)) CORE MEANING: will happen in the future, or intended to happen
    I shall as president promote measures that keep families whole.

    will [ wil ] CORE MEANING: a modal verb used to indicate future time
    Delegates from all over Europe will attend the forum.
    Will you ever be able to forgive him?
    Your suit will be ready for collection tomorrow.

    So, "shall" has to do with "intending" to do something in the future. hmm...

    I shall rise to the ranks of UPS Queen! oops, good intention but not going to happen. :happy-very:
  8. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    From my understanding they definition of shall is out of blacks law.
  9. Taken from the NATOPS (Naval Aviation Training and Procedures Standardization) aka the Aviators Bible.

    d. Shall
    Means a procedure that is mandatory.
    e. Should
    Means a procedure that is recommended.
    f. May
    "May" and "need not" mean procedure is optional.
    g. Will

    Indicates futurity and never indicates any degree of requirement for application of a procedure.
  10. satellitedriver

    satellitedriver Moderator Staff Member

    Good post.
    Past, present and future tense does apply, to certain singular word's.
  11. Brown Dog

    Brown Dog Brown since 81

    So you mean, someone could say they will do something, but never actually get around to doing it. Isn't that like double talk?
  12. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Welcome to ups language 101.
  13. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    so did the ballots say the 705 will strike or shall strike?
  14. loserupser

    loserupser Two minute Therapist

    A little humor never hurts anyone!!!:peaceful:
  15. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    I just can't picture a Teamster using the word "shall". .......because the opposite is "shan't". Can't you just hear a trucker saying, "I shan't be voting" ? :happy-very: