Does anybody see anything wrong with this idea?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by laffter, Jun 25, 2013.

  1. laffter

    laffter Active Member

    As far as I am aware, there is no way to view detailed information about a package from the DIAD. Specifically, information like the weight and dimensions. I find this pretty pathetic. You can store gigabytes upon gigabytes of porn videos on a chip the size of your pinky nail, but they can't have this information sent to your DIAD along with EDD? How many times have you been looking for a package, when it could have benefited you to know if you were looking for a 3-ounce envelope or a 130lb irreg.

    But anyway...

    Let's say they did do this, and this info was included when you viewed the details of a delivery.

    Any time a delivery was for one of those UPS-supplied envelopes, they could put a E next to the address. These envelopes could be loaded into a tote, rather than on the shelf, where they often fall behind or under other larger, heavier packages, and may be difficult to find in a mess. Or, this doesn't even have to be limited to envelopes. It could be for anything with no listed dimensions, meaning that it will either be a flat envelope, a padded envelope, or a bag. Would it be easier for a driver to find stuff like this?
  2. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    A lot of the information provided about packages is provided by the shipper, not by UPS.

    So, as an example, a 500 piece bulk stop for some business comes in - they do an EOD and that information says "hey, all 3 pounds"; in reality, maybe it is 30 pounds.

    That's hardly UPS' fault; and, BD can't really scream at them because UPS needs the business and fights a price war against other shippers.
  3. jaker

    jaker trolling

    For that reason is why I do a fine sort when I start a new track

    I also scan my whole truck when I first start , but I have the worst loader in the hub and I can't trust him
  4. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Ups has all this information on file I promise u. They could also adjust our time allowance for oversize awkward heavy packages and such. They choose not to.
  5. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    No, they sometimes do not; when an EOD by the shipper is messed up, then there is no way to know what is coming into the system - this is part of the reason why the load manifests that are supposed to be hung up for preloaders are incorrect.

    A bulk shipment comes in, the EOD by the shipper is incorrect in some way, and suddenly a large bulk stop has "1 of 1" written on every box; all 200 of them or whatever the case may be.

    I'm not, for a second, excusing UPS of the fact that it does a crap job informing its employees of what is coming in, but what I am saying is that the blame is not entirely theirs.

    Anyone who wants to inform me why "1 of 1" is stamped on every box, other than the reason I gave above, is more than free to do so and I will gladly assimilate that information.
  6. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Now, a low life jack wagon, and still loving it.

    So, basically, the system is flawed!:surprised:
  7. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    it is a great idea. However if loaders neatly slid envelopes between two corresponding boxes on the proper shelf, instead of toss them in the general direction of the shelf, the drivers would have a much easier time finding them.
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2013
  8. hellfire

    hellfire no one considers UPS people."real" Teamsters.-BUG

    this........f..u corporate ie rats
  9. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    Go right ahead, prove me wrong.
  10. hellfire

    hellfire no one considers UPS people."real" Teamsters.-BUG

    so 30 letters carried to the third floor will give me the same allowance as 30 50 lb boxes?? RIGHT
  11. JackStraw

    JackStraw Active Member

    Can they tell if the 5 pkgs you del. to a house on the hill was 50lbs a piece?
  12. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    Ok, so, I'm going to go through this again.

    First, my argument was not (and is not) about time allowances, and I never worked delivery, so any opinion I have on allowances is probably stupid and ill informed. Check on that.

    Secondly, what my argument was is that the information about weight and dimensions is dependent upon the shipper; if you know any OMS, PT Sup, or anyone with access to ETT, ask them to look up any package in your EDD. What you will see is a list of arrival/departure scans, and probably other random information.

    On the left hand side, there will be blue arrows; click on one. From there, that will open a new window and it will show you a bit of "drill down" information, some of which will include weight and dimensions; guess what? It's probably wrong .. cycle through enough of the packages in your EDD, and you will find that some of that weight/dimensions is right, some of it is wrong.

    Is that a UPS conspiracy? No, it is a problem with the "inflow" of information that comes from the shippers, into the UPS system (e.g. DPS, EPD, DMS, etc).

    Also, if UPS knew the weight/dimensions/etc of every single package, they would probably screw you a lot more than they are doing now.
  13. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    Assuming trailers are not late, or work isn't held for the next day, they know what's coming in. For example, 55 packages for 123 main st. I don't know if they have info on dimensions and weights of those 55 packages....and every one of those boxes may say 1 of 1 on them. Or hell, 45 could be boxes and the rest are envelopes. But all I have to do before my shift is print out the driver's manifest and there it is 123 main...55 pieces. And I'm not referring to those BS load diagram manifests they insisted were so important, we got them for a whole week and then stopped.
  14. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    You don't know how WorldShip works, and you don't know about DPS/EPD, so, trust me, you don't know what is coming in. This is one of the main reasons dispatch sups (the ones who give a crap) are bald - they tear their hair out everyday because they cannot do the dispatch right because they do not know what is coming in!
  15. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Now, a low life jack wagon, and still loving it.

    bb hit the nail on the head with this. Sure, it would be nice to know if your next stop was a Bow-Flex so you could back up to the garage, as opposed to a 1 lb QVC, but if the company actually had the information telling them that 90% of your residentials were less than 5 lbs, well there goes your stop-count.

    I liked EDD, except for the fact that you don't really go through your load (aren't supposed to/given time for) like in the days before PAS/EDD.
  16. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    Yes, those of us who choose not wear the fancy ups shirts really must be stupid. What with the whole week of training you guys have to go through lol. Then explain to me why I can print a manifest at 330am and the car matches the manifest at 915 (98%) of the time, if they don't know what coming in?
  17. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    First off, why is an hourly printing a load manifest from DMS? That's insane.

    Secondly, sometimes it does match - in fact, a lot of the time it does.

    As I have said above though, the burden of proof is on the shipper - most shippers do it right and everything is fine, but some do not and that's when the stops blow up in your face.

    An example: There is a business where I used to work, that ordered hundreds of boxes a day - but they always did EOD wrong, so it would constantly show up (in DMS, which is what you are printing from when you talk about a manifest) as just 1 box; yet, when they poured out of the trailer, they'd all be stamped with "1 of 1" on the label.

    That is not UPS, that is the shipper. That is my point.
  18. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Now, a low life jack wagon, and still loving it.

    Some centers (mine was one) will get cold loads that someone at the feeding hub want to/can get rid of. Those won't show up.
  19. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    I'm sorry, the thought of an hourly allowed to touch the coverted computers must be insane. My center manager would disagree with you. One of my cars is entirely commercial and retail, with a very picky driver, who wants stops loaded his way, not the PAL way. So, I print the manifest daily so I know how much of each stop is coming so I have a reference while loading the car.
  20. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    You are dodging my point.

    1) I personally don't care that you are allowed to touch DMS; but, the fact is that DMS can be used to add/cut stops from route to route, so access is rightfully (in general) restricted. Any person could move any stop to any route with that ... I think we can all agree that is a responsibility that should be handled with much concern.

    2) You are missing, or dodging, my point - if the shipper does the EOD correctly, then everything is fine; when they do not, the stop cannot be seen by the dispatch supervisor in DPS as they are "cutting the soup" and deciding the plan of what goes where in what route, so on and so forth. If you cannot see it, and the stops don't show up, then the routes blow up in your face and you are left with a crap dispatch.

    Compounding this issue is with large centers (such as yours), where the margin of error increases considerably. The more shippers, the more room for EOD errors, which means more incoming loads they cannot see; which means crappy dispatch.

    I'm not excusing UPS of all problems, but this is the primary cause of dispatch problems.