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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
Jun 27
Supreme Court rules in favor of non-union workers who are now, as an example, able to support a candidate of his or her choice without having those who control the Union deciding for them. Big loss for the coffers of the Democrats!

Why would non-union workers care about what union leaders decide? How can union leaders make decisions for non-union workers? Non-union workers, by definition, are not in unions. Hey, whoever wrote the code for this thing, you need to fix it. It makes no sense.
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
Reagan fires 11,000 striking air traffic controllers Aug. 5, 1981

By ANDREW GLASS


08/05/2008 04:30 AM EDT

On this day in 1981, President Ronald Reagan fired more than 11,000 air traffic controllers who ignored his order to return to work. The sweeping mass firing of federal employees slowed commercial air travel, but it did not cripple the system as the strikers had forecast.

Two days earlier, nearly 13,000 controllers walked out after talks with the Federal Aviation Administration collapsed. As a result, some 7,000 flights across the country were canceled on that day at the peak of the summer travel season.
Robert Poli, president of the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization, sought an across-the-board annual wage increase of $10,000 for the controllers, whose pay ranged from $20,462 to $49,229 per year. He also sought a reduction of their five-day, 40-hour workweek to a four-day, 32-hour workweek. The FAA made a $40 million counteroffer, far short of the $770 million package that the union sought.

Reagan branded the strike illegal. He threatened to fire any controller who failed to return to work within 48 hours. Federal judges levied fines of $1 million per day against the union.

In 1955, Congress made such strikes punishable by fines or a one-year jail term — a law the Supreme Court upheld in 1971.

To the chagrin of the strikers, the FAA’s contingency plans worked. Some 3,000 supervisors joined 2,000 nonstriking controllers and 900 military controllers in manning airport towers. Before long, about 80 percent of flights were operating normally. Air freight remained virtually unaffected.

In carrying out his threat, Reagan also imposed a lifetime ban on rehiring the strikers. In October 1981, the Federal Labor Relations Authority decertified PATCO.

You do realize ups isn’t a government entity? Don’t you?
 

eats packages

Deranged lunatic
You do realize ups isn’t a government entity? Don’t you?
His fear-mongering does have a point:
The air traffic controller dissolution led to a chilling effect on USPS contract negotiations. Federal union activity will eventually effect us.
You know the ol "First they came for the ____ and I did not speak out" phrase.
 

DOK

Well-Known Member
I've read the arguments of what Reagan did doesn't relate to UPS/Teamster's with President Trump.

Are you sure about that?

Donald covets those job numbers. 260,000 strikers won't settle well with him unless he can quickly get replacement workers and could salvage the USPS losses.

Think about it...

Who’s going on strike? Not a snowballs chance in H that Hoffa strikes UPS.
 
F

Frankie's Friend

Guest
I understand my brothers & sisters saying these 22.4 jobs will be manipulated and will weaken the union over the long-term. I do understand that argument.

Truthfully, unions are struggling now across the nation and not just Teamster's. A lot of unions are hurting. These 22.4 jobs will mean more union members and it strengthens the pension. I'm happy at least all of us here won't be a 22.4 driver.

Is it a step back? I think it is... yet, a walkout would be a much worse option imo. As your brother you all should afford me the right to see how bad this could be.

Not a soul here doesn't think about #1 inside. I know that...

So join me by STRENGTHENING our pensions... a Yes vote means you want the union pensions back in the green!

Don't be a union buster and vote no because you worked a few 60 hour weeks last December. You gotta push that smile* outta your mind.

Man up!!!

SUPPORT THE HANDSHAKE FROM YOUR UNION LEADERSHIP!

No Nancy's allowed. *waving you in*

Join me Brother! Let's light this candle and bring out the dancing girls & put the champagne on ice!
Evidently Teamcare covered your lobotomy?
Maybe WC Smith can get you some tickets for the dancing girls?
 

KoennenTiger

Well-Known Member
You know how I like to waste my time? Pretending to have a conversation with a bot.

Can we at least get some terminator level AI here? Maybe you can be trying to kill all humans while I deliver? Would be more interesting than this garbage you keep vomiting up
 

sandwich

The resident gearhead
Old timers are correct when they say that most of the public supported UPS workers in 1997.

Today is different. The public is not near as jovial seeing their UPS driver for several reasons. Less customer contact time today. In the 90's folks would order out of catalogs and the shipping window time was often 4-6 weeks and when it arrived in 15-days they'd come out of their shop elated to see you. Nowadays they order dog food on their Amazon Prime account on Sunday and it arrives Thursday and ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE! Back in the 90's... very, very few deliveries nationwide were delivered after 7:30pm... nowadays some loops are set up to deliver after 6:30pm every day.

Yet, here's the biggest difference that none of you here even think about. In 1997, UPS was private. It went public in 1999 and NOW corporate is persuaded heavily by Wall Street. Large institutions control the direction and WALL STREET HATES UNIONS.

This isn't me saying this... it's the truth. Don't shoot the UPS Messenger!

Sleep on it...
Your absolutely wrong. I've had people on my route come up to me and tell me they support us going on strike. They remember seeing me delivering at 10-11 pm during peak.

If you were actually a driver you would know that people are still excited when we pull up to bring them the crap they ordered.

GTFO management.
 

Wally

BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
Jun 27
Supreme Court rules in favor of non-union workers who are now, as an example, able to support a candidate of his or her choice without having those who control the Union deciding for them. Big loss for the coffers of the Democrats!
The union should focus on it's members. Make joining the union something you would want to do.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Truthfully, unions are struggling now across the nation and not just Teamster's. A lot of unions are hurting. These 22.4 jobs will mean more union members and it strengthens the pension. I'm happy at least all of us here won't be a 22.4 driver.

Don't be a union buster and vote no because you worked a few 60 hour weeks last December. You gotta push that smile* outta your mind.
It’s hard to push that out of your mind when you work 50+ almost 60 hour weeks every week. Not just peak. Peak is way easier than I got it the rest of the year.
 

UPSTeamster Pragmatist

Well-Known Member
My customers support me because they see me out at 9pm everyday. I tell them that this is about the city guys working 6 days at peak which is now 2 months long, not worth the money no matter how much. I have a rural run. Tell them I'm more than happy. If they find out that I make 120K + full benefits support is likely to wane a bit.
 

UPSTeamster Pragmatist

Well-Known Member
Hoffa barely won the election. Maybe it will be a no vote. It is possible. I hope not. We need to unionize the industry if we have a prayer. Our FedEx brothers need representation from Fred S the true scumbag. Also Bezos the current king of the universe needs his comeuppance. Maybe Trump will side with us to spite Bezos. He does have a beef with him. Don't discount Hoffa, he may not be an angel but he's no fool.
 

vvv

Well-Known Member
Old timers are correct when they say that most of the public supported UPS workers in 1997.

Today is different. The public is not near as jovial seeing their UPS driver for several reasons. Less customer contact time today. In the 90's folks would order out of catalogs and the shipping window time was often 4-6 weeks and when it arrived in 15-days they'd come out of their shop elated to see you. Nowadays they order dog food on their Amazon Prime account on Sunday and it arrives Thursday and ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE! Back in the 90's... very, very few deliveries nationwide were delivered after 7:30pm... nowadays some loops are set up to deliver after 6:30pm every day.

Yet, here's the biggest difference that none of you here even think about. In 1997, UPS was private. It went public in 1999 and NOW corporate is persuaded heavily by Wall Street. Large institutions control the direction and WALL STREET HATES UNIONS.

This isn't me saying this... it's the truth. Don't shoot the UPS Messenger!

Sleep on it...

I have "plenty" of "customer contact" on n off the job *.....trust me. Nearly all my customers, especially the ladies....don't want to see anybody else doing my run.
 
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