Epstein's List

Doublestandards

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Here’s my take on when Biden keeps getting brought up whenever Trump is criticized for his lack of transparency regarding the Epstein files

How long does an investigation of this magnitude normally take to conclude? A massive, global, blackmailing pedophile ring of the world’s elite? Part of this question is rhetorical but part of it is also me genuinely asking. I have no idea how long it takes to conclude, and correctly and legally finish and able to release to the public? Is it normal and expected for something like this to be concluded within 4 years of a presidents administration? Biden never gave us a deadline or promised to release them within a certain time, or at all, unlike Trump.

One difference between the Biden and Trump administration, where I don’t think it’s fair to bring up when talking about it now, is the Biden administration didn’t run and campaign on releasing the files. Trump did

Trump made it part of his campaign. Trumps Vice President, trumps two main leaders and heads of the FBI made several tweets and podcasts rounds talking about the Epstein files, telling their base that the elite were covering it up, that they were the ones who were going to expose the list. They were the ones who said they were the most transparent administration in history

Epstein died under trumps first term, in a maximum security prison during suicide watch. Arguably the prisoner with the biggest spotlight on him and most attention at the time. Trumps attorney general at the time is Bill Barr (who #1 is arguably a swamp monster to begin with and a strange pick for someone whose draining the swamp, but also strange because his father was the first person to hire Epstein, teaching at a school despite having no credentials. The same man also wrote novels about powerful elite space colonies who have pedophile sex rings (this is not a conspiracy, this is true).

Virginia giruffe, the most prominent Epstein victim who was trafficked out of mar a largo, dies under trumps second term. She makes a post saying she’s not suicidal, she then dies and authorities say it was a suicide, and her dad is publicly saying she did not kill herself. This is all more fuel to the fire

The Trump White House then continues talking about the files, incessantly. Trumps attorney general talks about the hundreds of hours of footage they have. The worst of the worst. She says she has the list on her desk

The Trump administration then releases “The Epstein Files: Phase 1”, giving massive binders of parts of the Epstein files, only to conservative influencers, and makes a point to make a media spectacle out of it, as part of their “transparency”

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We then find out that these files are information that was already released to the public, but even more redacted then before. People start getting unhappy about the way it’s being handled


Then, seemingly on a dime, the trump administration turns, says that Epstein killed himself, there is no list, the investigation is concluded, and to stop talking about it

Obviously, people aren’t happy. After almost 20 years of Epstein being talked about, less than a day after the investigation is concluded, Trump is asked by reporters about it, and he freaks out and says “why are we still talking about Epstein?” He calls it a hoax, says people are dumb for believing it, and drops his base of supporters and calls them his “past supporters”.

They then release a video of Epstein’s cell that they say proves that Epstein committed suicide. We then find out the camera isn’t even facing his cell but in a different area, several minutes of footage is edited out, and metadata shows the video was edited and spliced together

Trump then tells the country that the list is fake and Epstein was a hoax and it was written by Obama (even though Epstein was arrested and died during trumps first term, so we’re led to believe that either Obama created a fake list to frame Trump before he was even president, or there was an absolute massive conspiracy where Obama destroyed the Epstein files and created new ones in between trumps terms, and that Trump didn’t have any files of the original and that were no whistleblowers or traces left behind)

We have two options. A massive, global deep state conspiracy framing Donald trump, or the other option is that the celebrity real estate developer who said he “knew Jeff for 15 years” called him a “terrific guy” and said he “likes women on the younger side” and is photographed and videoed together with Epstein more than any other known person on earth, might have some ties to him that he doesn’t want released.

Is Trump a pedophile? I hope not. I have no proof. But Occam’s Razor would lead me to believe the most reasonable explanation is that there is something in the files that Trump doesn’t want released. Trump ran beauty pageants, For women and for teens. He doesn’t do drugs. He doesn’t drink alcohol. His crutch is sex with women, as anyone who knows his history is aware of. And that was Epstein’s tool.

There is a big difference between how the two administrations handled this, and I don’t think it’s fair to bring up when talking about the release of the list or the transparency involved
 

Thebrownblob

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Here’s my take on when Biden keeps getting brought up whenever Trump is criticized for his lack of transparency regarding the Epstein files

How long does an investigation of this magnitude normally take to conclude? A massive, global, blackmailing pedophile ring of the world’s elite? Part of this question is rhetorical but part of it is also me genuinely asking. I have no idea how long it takes to conclude, and correctly and legally finish and able to release to the public? Is it normal and expected for something like this to be concluded within 4 years of a presidents administration? Biden never gave us a deadline or promised to release them within a certain time, or at all, unlike Trump.

One difference between the Biden and Trump administration, where I don’t think it’s fair to bring up when talking about it now, is the Biden administration didn’t run and campaign on releasing the files. Trump did

Trump made it part of his campaign. Trumps Vice President, trumps two main leaders and heads of the FBI made several tweets and podcasts rounds talking about the Epstein files, telling their base that the elite were covering it up, that they were the ones who were going to expose the list. They were the ones who said they were the most transparent administration in history

Epstein died under trumps first term, in a maximum security prison during suicide watch. Arguably the prisoner with the biggest spotlight on him and most attention at the time. Trumps attorney general at the time is Bill Barr (who #1 is arguably a swamp monster to begin with and a strange pick for someone whose draining the swamp, but also strange because his father was the first person to hire Epstein, teaching at a school despite having no credentials. The same man also wrote novels about powerful elite space colonies who have pedophile sex rings (this is not a conspiracy, this is true).

Virginia giruffe, the most prominent Epstein victim who was trafficked out of mar a largo, dies under trumps second term. She makes a post saying she’s not suicidal, she then dies and authorities say it was a suicide, and her dad is publicly saying she did not kill herself. This is all more fuel to the fire

The Trump White House then continues talking about the files, incessantly. Trumps attorney general talks about the hundreds of hours of footage they have. The worst of the worst. She says she has the list on her desk

The Trump administration then releases “The Epstein Files: Phase 1”, giving massive binders of parts of the Epstein files, only to conservative influencers, and makes a point to make a media spectacle out of it, as part of their “transparency”

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We then find out that these files are information that was already released to the public, but even more redacted then before. People start getting unhappy about the way it’s being handled


Then, seemingly on a dime, the trump administration turns, says that Epstein killed himself, there is no list, the investigation is concluded, and to stop talking about it

Obviously, people aren’t happy. After almost 20 years of Epstein being talked about, less than a day after the investigation is concluded, Trump is asked by reporters about it, and he freaks out and says “why are we still talking about Epstein?” He calls it a hoax, says people are dumb for believing it, and drops his base of supporters and calls them his “past supporters”.

They then release a video of Epstein’s cell that they say proves that Epstein committed suicide. We then find out the camera isn’t even facing his cell but in a different area, several minutes of footage is edited out, and metadata shows the video was edited and spliced together

Trump then tells the country that the list is fake and Epstein was a hoax and it was written by Obama (even though Epstein was arrested and died during trumps first term, so we’re led to believe that either Obama created a fake list to frame Trump before he was even president, or there was an absolute massive conspiracy where Obama destroyed the Epstein files and created new ones in between trumps terms, and that Trump didn’t have any files of the original and that were no whistleblowers or traces left behind)

We have two options. A massive, global deep state conspiracy framing Donald trump, or the other option is that the celebrity real estate developer who said he “knew Jeff for 15 years” called him a “terrific guy” and said he “likes women on the younger side” and is photographed and videoed together with Epstein more than any other known person on earth, might have some ties to him that he doesn’t want released.

Is Trump a pedophile? I hope not. I have no proof. But Occam’s Razor would lead me to believe the most reasonable explanation is that there is something in the files that Trump doesn’t want released. Trump ran beauty pageants, For women and for teens. He doesn’t do drugs. He doesn’t drink alcohol. His crutch is sex with women, as anyone who knows his history is aware of. And that was Epstein’s tool.

There is a big difference between how the two administrations handled this, and I don’t think it’s fair to bring up when talking about the release of the list or the transparency involved
That’s a good analysis and I do not believe Trump has handled this well but the only problem with your analysis I can find is if Trump was on that list it would’ve been released. If they had something on Trump, they would’ve released it.
 

Doublestandards

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That’s a good analysis and I do not believe Trump has handled this well but the only problem with your analysis I can find is if Trump was on that list it would’ve been released. If they had something on Trump, they would’ve released it.
I’ve thought about that point as well, but I have a few counter arguments

1. Biden administration was more of a standard establishment politician. He’s in there with the rest of them. Not in the Epstein files necessarily, maybe he is, no evidence yet (I could see Hunter although maybe lol) but he’s certainly rubbing hands and part of the group that is in there. If the establishment doesn’t want that list getting released, it’s not going to get released under Biden. I imagine he’s close with the Clinton’s

2. I don’t think files of this magnitude under the fbi are leakable. Biden maybe could have, if he really wanted to, but I don’t think he did, or cared. Biden is an establishment guy, but he was also barely hanging on and was stumbling around for a few hours a day. I don’t think his main priority was getting to the fbi files and releasing parts of them to leak that Trump was in the list, something his base would surely call fake news anyways coming from him

3. I don’t believe fbi files of this magnitude are leakable from lower level of staffers. I just don’t think the fbi plays around with this level of classification where it can just get leaked

4. By saying “if Trump was on the list it would have been leaked” would be the same as me saying “if Clinton was on that list Trump would have released it”. No one believes that. No one would be shocked if Clinton is on that list

And if we’re going by that logic, “if so and so was on that list, then so and so would have released it”. Well then we go back to both sides, and the only conclusion to that logic is that since no one released it, no one on the other side of the political aisle is on the list, so there must be no list

But none of us believe that. There are people on both sides of the aisle on that list
 

Next Day Err

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Biden was interviewed about his handling of classified documents by.Special Counsel Bruce Hur. Hur determined that Biden had serious cognitive issues and thus it wasn't worth pursuing him in court. The White House tried to suppress that report. And then Biden debated Trump. You're asking us to present some kind of documentation when the Democrats couldn't replace him fast enough after his debate performance. Exactly why.do we need to provide anything when everyone saw what the Democrats did in real time?
If you go back and look you’ll see that I was among the alarmed during and after that debate. Biden looked and sounded terrible. That was the whole ballgame. Doesn’t mean in any way that he was a danger to the country, however. Two different things. Just my opinion.
 

Thebrownblob

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I’ve thought about that point as well, but I have a few counter arguments

1. Biden administration was more of a standard establishment politician. He’s in there with the rest of them. Not in the Epstein files necessarily, maybe he is, no evidence yet (I could see Hunter although maybe lol) but he’s certainly rubbing hands and part of the group that is in there. If the establishment doesn’t want that list getting released, it’s not going to get released under Biden. I imagine he’s close with the Clinton’s

2. I don’t think files of this magnitude under the fbi are leakable. Biden maybe could have, if he really wanted to, but I don’t think he did, or cared. Biden is an establishment guy, but he was also barely hanging on and was stumbling around for a few hours a day. I don’t think his main priority was getting to the fbi files and releasing parts of them to leak that Trump was in the list, something his base would surely call fake news anyways coming from him

3. I don’t believe fbi files of this magnitude are leakable from lower level of staffers. I just don’t think the fbi plays around with this level of classification where it can just get leaked

4. By saying “if Trump was on the list it would have been leaked” would be the same as me saying “if Clinton was on that list Trump would have released it”. No one believes that. No one would be shocked if Clinton is on that list

And if we’re going by that logic, “if so and so was on that list, then so and so would have released it”. Well then we go back to both sides, and the only conclusion to that logic is that since no one released it, no one on the other side of the political aisle is on the list, so there must be no list

But none of us believe that. There are people on both sides of the aisle on that list
Sort of, but I don’t know that there’s a list. But there’s copious amounts of files and evidence.

It sounds like you conclusion is pretty much what I said. Both sides have no intention of getting to the bottom of it. One side didn’t say they would because they knew what was on it.

The other side claimed they would and they did an about face.

Remind me which side is better here.
 

DELACROIX

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If you go back and look you’ll see that I was among the alarmed during and after that debate. Biden looked and sounded terrible. That was the whole ballgame. Doesn’t mean in any way that he was a danger to the country, however. Two different things. Just my opinion.

I remember seeing a clip of Biden on Air Force One during the first days of the Ukrainian/Russia conflict. He started to talk to the press, in the background you could see his staff panicking. I imagine they were thinking that he was about to start WW3…He was a danger to the country and that is a documented fact, so give me another one..🤪
 

vantexan

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If you go back and look you’ll see that I was among the alarmed during and after that debate. Biden looked and sounded terrible. That was the whole ballgame. Doesn’t mean in any way that he was a danger to the country, however. Two different things. Just my opinion.
How can a president who isn't actually running things not be a danger? He's the one representing us internationally. There's a lot of suspicion that he wasn't aware of what he was signing or if he was involved at all with the use of the autopen.
 

Next Day Err

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Sort of, but I don’t know that there’s a list. But there’s copious amounts of files and evidence.

It sounds like you conclusion is pretty much what I said. Both sides have no intention of getting to the bottom of it. One side didn’t say they would because they knew what was on it.

The other side claimed they would and they did an about face.

Remind me which side is better here.
It’s all so damn bad. We deserve to see for ourselves. It’s beyond time. There’s too much smoke. Expose all these people
How can a president who isn't actually running things not be a danger? He's the one representing us internationally. There's a lot of suspicion that he wasn't aware of what he was signing or if he was involved at all with the use of the autopen.
Oh, autopen. Remind me how many other presidents have used autopen.
 

vantexan

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I’ve thought about that point as well, but I have a few counter arguments

1. Biden administration was more of a standard establishment politician. He’s in there with the rest of them. Not in the Epstein files necessarily, maybe he is, no evidence yet (I could see Hunter although maybe lol) but he’s certainly rubbing hands and part of the group that is in there. If the establishment doesn’t want that list getting released, it’s not going to get released under Biden. I imagine he’s close with the Clinton’s

2. I don’t think files of this magnitude under the fbi are leakable. Biden maybe could have, if he really wanted to, but I don’t think he did, or cared. Biden is an establishment guy, but he was also barely hanging on and was stumbling around for a few hours a day. I don’t think his main priority was getting to the fbi files and releasing parts of them to leak that Trump was in the list, something his base would surely call fake news anyways coming from him

3. I don’t believe fbi files of this magnitude are leakable from lower level of staffers. I just don’t think the fbi plays around with this level of classification where it can just get leaked

4. By saying “if Trump was on the list it would have been leaked” would be the same as me saying “if Clinton was on that list Trump would have released it”. No one believes that. No one would be shocked if Clinton is on that list

And if we’re going by that logic, “if so and so was on that list, then so and so would have released it”. Well then we go back to both sides, and the only conclusion to that logic is that since no one released it, no one on the other side of the political aisle is on the list, so there must be no list

But none of us believe that. There are people on both sides of the aisle on that list
If Trump was on the list he would've been insane to make the campaign promise to release it.
 

vantexan

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It’s all so damn bad. We deserve to see for ourselves. It’s beyond time. There’s too much smoke. Expose all these people

Oh, autopen. Remind me how many other presidents have used autopen.
As was pointed out the other day, the autopen was used when a kid wrote the president saying something like he hoped to be president someday and the White House staff sent him back a nice signed by autopen letter. It was not used to sign bills or process thousands of pardons.
 

Thebrownblob

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It’s all so damn bad. We deserve to see for ourselves. It’s beyond time. There’s too much smoke. Expose all these people

Oh, autopen. Remind me how many other presidents have used autopen.
I agree with your first part.


The second part not so much. This is where we get into the fact that Joe Biden was not very aware of what was going on. Quite a bit different than president who does know and gives his approval.
 

vantexan

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Here’s my take on when Biden keeps getting brought up whenever Trump is criticized for his lack of transparency regarding the Epstein files

How long does an investigation of this magnitude normally take to conclude? A massive, global, blackmailing pedophile ring of the world’s elite? Part of this question is rhetorical but part of it is also me genuinely asking. I have no idea how long it takes to conclude, and correctly and legally finish and able to release to the public? Is it normal and expected for something like this to be concluded within 4 years of a presidents administration? Biden never gave us a deadline or promised to release them within a certain time, or at all, unlike Trump.

One difference between the Biden and Trump administration, where I don’t think it’s fair to bring up when talking about it now, is the Biden administration didn’t run and campaign on releasing the files. Trump did

Trump made it part of his campaign. Trumps Vice President, trumps two main leaders and heads of the FBI made several tweets and podcasts rounds talking about the Epstein files, telling their base that the elite were covering it up, that they were the ones who were going to expose the list. They were the ones who said they were the most transparent administration in history

Epstein died under trumps first term, in a maximum security prison during suicide watch. Arguably the prisoner with the biggest spotlight on him and most attention at the time. Trumps attorney general at the time is Bill Barr (who #1 is arguably a swamp monster to begin with and a strange pick for someone whose draining the swamp, but also strange because his father was the first person to hire Epstein, teaching at a school despite having no credentials. The same man also wrote novels about powerful elite space colonies who have pedophile sex rings (this is not a conspiracy, this is true).

Virginia giruffe, the most prominent Epstein victim who was trafficked out of mar a largo, dies under trumps second term. She makes a post saying she’s not suicidal, she then dies and authorities say it was a suicide, and her dad is publicly saying she did not kill herself. This is all more fuel to the fire

The Trump White House then continues talking about the files, incessantly. Trumps attorney general talks about the hundreds of hours of footage they have. The worst of the worst. She says she has the list on her desk

The Trump administration then releases “The Epstein Files: Phase 1”, giving massive binders of parts of the Epstein files, only to conservative influencers, and makes a point to make a media spectacle out of it, as part of their “transparency”

View attachment 526727

We then find out that these files are information that was already released to the public, but even more redacted then before. People start getting unhappy about the way it’s being handled


Then, seemingly on a dime, the trump administration turns, says that Epstein killed himself, there is no list, the investigation is concluded, and to stop talking about it

Obviously, people aren’t happy. After almost 20 years of Epstein being talked about, less than a day after the investigation is concluded, Trump is asked by reporters about it, and he freaks out and says “why are we still talking about Epstein?” He calls it a hoax, says people are dumb for believing it, and drops his base of supporters and calls them his “past supporters”.

They then release a video of Epstein’s cell that they say proves that Epstein committed suicide. We then find out the camera isn’t even facing his cell but in a different area, several minutes of footage is edited out, and metadata shows the video was edited and spliced together

Trump then tells the country that the list is fake and Epstein was a hoax and it was written by Obama (even though Epstein was arrested and died during trumps first term, so we’re led to believe that either Obama created a fake list to frame Trump before he was even president, or there was an absolute massive conspiracy where Obama destroyed the Epstein files and created new ones in between trumps terms, and that Trump didn’t have any files of the original and that were no whistleblowers or traces left behind)

We have two options. A massive, global deep state conspiracy framing Donald trump, or the other option is that the celebrity real estate developer who said he “knew Jeff for 15 years” called him a “terrific guy” and said he “likes women on the younger side” and is photographed and videoed together with Epstein more than any other known person on earth, might have some ties to him that he doesn’t want released.

Is Trump a pedophile? I hope not. I have no proof. But Occam’s Razor would lead me to believe the most reasonable explanation is that there is something in the files that Trump doesn’t want released. Trump ran beauty pageants, For women and for teens. He doesn’t do drugs. He doesn’t drink alcohol. His crutch is sex with women, as anyone who knows his history is aware of. And that was Epstein’s tool.

There is a big difference between how the two administrations handled this, and I don’t think it’s fair to bring up when talking about the release of the list or the transparency involved
Let me ask you, when Epstein was convicted in 2008 was Trump's name ever brought up then? When several victims started naming names of who they had seen at Epstein's NYC mansion or on Epstein's island was Trump mentioned? I think the more likely explanation is Trump is, if he's actually doing anything at all, he's protecting a family member or a friend. Or maybe there really.are people so powerful behind the scenes that they can threaten family members of administration brass if the files are released. Who knows?
 

vantexan

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The wall? Healthcare? Ending the Russia/Ukraine war before he even was sworn in? … NOT TOUCHING MEDICAID?
The wall's construction was blocked for most of Trump's term by Dems. But he did attempt it. Healthcare was a failure because of John McCain. But Trump did attempt it. He over promised on the Ukraine war, sure, but he did attempt it. And Medicaid is still there but has been streamlined to get illegal immigrants and able bodied unemployed off of it. Had to be done.
 

Next Day Err

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Let me ask you, when Epstein was convicted in 2008 was Trump's name ever brought up then? When several victims started naming names of who they had seen at Epstein's NYC mansion or on Epstein's island was Trump mentioned? I think the more likely explanation is Trump is, if he's actually doing anything at all, he's protecting a family member or a friend. Or maybe there really.are people so powerful behind the scenes that they can threaten family members of administration brass if the files are released. Who knows?
Trump and Epstein were mentioned by people like Jane Doe AKA "Katie Johnson". I never dug into any of this stuff, I'm certainly no expert.

What the public deserves to see are the full transcripts of every FD-302 and pictures, videos, bank records, etc with the victims redacted.
 

Doublestandards

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Can you imagine the amount of overtime hours Epstein’s pilot was getting? Half of the damn country seems to have been flying on his plane

If democrats want to keep Epstein in the news, they should kill two birds with one stone and check how much carbon output Epstein’s plane alone contributed to climate change
 

vantexan

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Can you imagine the amount of overtime hours Epstein’s pilot was getting? Half of the damn country seems to have been flying on his plane

If democrats want to keep Epstein in the news, they should kill two birds with one stone and check how much carbon output Epstein’s plane alone contributed to climate change
He had multiple Gulfstream jets.
 

vantexan

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Trump and Epstein were mentioned by people like Jane Doe AKA "Katie Johnson". I never dug into any of this stuff, I'm certainly no expert.

What the public deserves to see are the full transcripts of every FD-302 and pictures, videos, bank records, etc with the victims redacted.
All for it. And if Trump is found he should resign. I have total confidence in Vance to continue the work of fixing the problems Biden's administration left us.
 
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