"Expeditors" "Gypos" "subcontractors" from PDX to CACH

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by rushfan, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. rushfan

    rushfan Well-Known Member

    We were told that the railroad has a problem with a bridge over the Mississippi river, so the railroad is running "gypos", "expeditors", what ever you want to call them-to run our trailers from CACH to Portland Oregon, and back. I see at least 3 a day Westbound and a few Eastbound. I also see them running on Saturday and Sunday. They are not UPS sleeper teams.

    We also were told the railroad has contracted the drivers, and UPS has nothing to do with it.

    Any ideas?
  2. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    The answer to this would be to have a BC member that lives in the area drive out to the bridge to determine if there is a problem with the bridge or if the company is lieing.

    I too have heard the story about how the RR contracted the drivers and the company has nothing to do with it. The only problem with this story is Ive been lied to so much that I now believe everything to be a lie.
  3. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Does anyone really think the RR would take it upon themselves to move UPS' property without their knowledge?
  4. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    There`s been a few times that I have seen sets being dropped out front by shifters for an awaiting broker. Didn`t run the numbers on the loads to see where they are going though. Will keep an eye out next week.
  5. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Where specifically is the problem?
  6. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    I just googled bridge problems on Miss. River. Came back with I-70 bridge closure. Is this it? There are detours in place.
  7. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Did you Google railroad bridges?
  8. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Haha! Oops! I'll be back!
  9. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    One by new Orleans closed in May. That's all I found in 30sec.
  10. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Geez,lol. :funny:
  11. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Overheard at Menotyou`s high school a few years back:

    Guidance counselor : Meny, have you thought about a career?

    Meny: Yea! I want to work at Rand-McNally reading maps!

    Guidance counselor : Uh, have you thought about just falling back on your looks?
  12. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    I think my neighbors heard me laughing on that one!
  13. bluehdmc

    bluehdmc Well-Known Member

    We have something similar to this going on in No Jersey. One Sunday I see a gypsy pulling an FSTZ trailer w/ups seals. (Bolt seal and wire seal wrapped around top of door). So I called a shop steward asked him about it. He told me that the trailers were off loaded in a Norfolk Southern Yard and the gypsies take them to a CSX yard (maybe 3-4 miles away) where they get reloaded on another train to continue their journey and that the railyard contracts this out.
  14. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    That`s similar to the Crosstown work that we supposedly won the right to switch to UPS jobs on the last contract. It`s up in `13 and I have yet to see our drivers perform it.
  15. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    If it is the BNSF contracting the work, it is probably a Missouri River bridge.

    UPS is the largest customer for BNSF, I think they are also UP's largest customer. I know that if there is a derailment, the railroads hire contractors to pull the trailers. It is evidently cheaper for them to hire contractors than to pay off on a service failure. UPS banks on those trains running to meet service, it would not surprise me that they have service guarantees with the railroads to pull the trailers if the trains cannot run.
  16. rod

    rod retired and happy

    I know Amtrack just started running again through North Dakota. (Chicago to Seattle). They were shut down for like a month because of high water which flooded some of the tracks.
  17. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Ups will hire out during periods of rail failure also. Whether they pass on the bill to BNSF is unknown.
  18. raceanoncr

    raceanoncr Well-Known Member

    Art 26 in the National Master Agreement:

    "Merchandise that has been tendered by United Parcel Service to the railroad and moved by T.O.F.C. will not subsequently be moved by the railroad, on the ground, to its final destination. Any exception to the above language will be in cases of an emergency or cases where the railroad must ground the merchandise early to meet the company's service committment. In those cases, every effort will be made to use UPS employees."

    I have won grievances on this very language before. But, questions must be answered.

    Was/Is this a true emergency? You know how the company likes to tag on "Emergency" anytime they seem to drop the ball.

    Are ALL your drivers working? Some sitting home? Are some able to make a relay meet with some of these trailers? Are some able to make a laydown with some of these?

    Remember, if you feel there is a contract violation, it is up to YOU or your agent, the steward or BA, to prove there has been. You and your steward have every right to track these shipments and the company must provide these trackings. YOU, as Mentoyou and others have, can track Interstate or railroad closings to prove what they say is true or not.

    Document all these findings and file in a timely manner if you feel there is a violation and file every time it happens. It may/will take some time but if it's worth mentioning on here, it must be worth going after, huh?

    Remember, I won BIG bucks on this language alone. Try it.