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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 986191" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Are you blaming the gun stores owners exclusively? You don't think there was some "arm twisting" from ATF or at least the appearance the gun store owners were working for the gov't "in doing the greater good?" Is it possible some of these gun stores owners have some twisted idea of patriotism and what they were doing was even patriotic?</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Katie Pavlich's book "Fast and Furious" makes the following point on page 58 as it relates to the relationship between the ATF and gun store owners.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>ATF was acting as facilitator and if gun stores were so eager to do this (not suggesting all gun stores are above reproach either) ATF could have done this all by undercover with even the gun stores not aware who they were doing this for. If you are suggesting the US gun stores as criminal, then why have none been criminally charged for doing what is obvious to all as being illegal? If ATF was telling them how to off book profits, where is the IRS? </p><p></p><p>And as to when all of this started, under Bush or Obama, this is so easy to resolve as ATF itself fully admits this right off their own website. ATF under Project Gunrunner ran Operation Wide Receiver during the Bush years and did the same with a name change under Obama being Fast and Furious.</p><p></p><p>The problem in Mexico in many respects was created by our own gov't. The drug problem in Central and South America is created by our gov't mostly by the CIA who use the money for off book black operations. Al Qaeda and the forces of radical jihadism are again mostly outcrops of gov't action just as many of our domestic problems are direct or indirect blowback of central planning interventions by our own gov't most often at the behest and benefit of a few regardless of the negative outcome to the many.</p><p></p><p>I posed the following question in the original post:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I see for the most part that the answer to that question just as I felt when I first posted it is still "NO!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 986191, member: 2189"] Are you blaming the gun stores owners exclusively? You don't think there was some "arm twisting" from ATF or at least the appearance the gun store owners were working for the gov't "in doing the greater good?" Is it possible some of these gun stores owners have some twisted idea of patriotism and what they were doing was even patriotic? [COLOR=#000000]Katie Pavlich's book "Fast and Furious" makes the following point on page 58 as it relates to the relationship between the ATF and gun store owners. [/COLOR] ATF was acting as facilitator and if gun stores were so eager to do this (not suggesting all gun stores are above reproach either) ATF could have done this all by undercover with even the gun stores not aware who they were doing this for. If you are suggesting the US gun stores as criminal, then why have none been criminally charged for doing what is obvious to all as being illegal? If ATF was telling them how to off book profits, where is the IRS? And as to when all of this started, under Bush or Obama, this is so easy to resolve as ATF itself fully admits this right off their own website. ATF under Project Gunrunner ran Operation Wide Receiver during the Bush years and did the same with a name change under Obama being Fast and Furious. The problem in Mexico in many respects was created by our own gov't. The drug problem in Central and South America is created by our gov't mostly by the CIA who use the money for off book black operations. Al Qaeda and the forces of radical jihadism are again mostly outcrops of gov't action just as many of our domestic problems are direct or indirect blowback of central planning interventions by our own gov't most often at the behest and benefit of a few regardless of the negative outcome to the many. I posed the following question in the original post: And I see for the most part that the answer to that question just as I felt when I first posted it is still "NO!" [/QUOTE]
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