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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 866799" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Just as you ask questions, I ask questions, many questions… </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Concrete evidence… just what exactly is concrete evidence? I’ve seen memos (all PDFs mind you, no originals – the providers aren’t stupid enough to “lift” original documents - many aren’t physical documents, they are in electronic format only), talked to people in positions where their job function would lend considerable credence to statements they’ve made and spoken with people I’ve known for a not insignificant amount of time that have come across information on their own, NOT using the same source as I for related information. I too connect the dots. This is why I used the example I did with “Jax”; I performed a “connect the dots” exercise. Hopefully “Jax” won’t be afraid to “confirm” the dots were connected successfully, and thus illustrate my point – and if I failed to connect the dots successfully, I’d like to know via private mail…</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">If anyone were to come up here or any other public site and state: “I’ve got absolute concrete evidence”, well, I’d like to see that “concrete evidence” myself. The fact is, there is no concrete evidence, there are only business plans, conversations regarding potential business plans and individuals who have made a decision to disclose that information - since they believe getting out the information serves a purpose they are sympathetic to. I’ll point out this, business plans do change and evolve, according to the vision of corporate management and changing business environments. ANYONE attempting to <u>definitively</u> state that a corporation will follow course “X-Y-Z” at a given time schedule is just fooling themselves and those around them. However, corporations do indeed make plans, analyze those plans, do costing analysis of those plans and even make contingency plans based on potential market changes (like Express did when faced with losing its RLA status…). </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">As far as “NEED to know”, how can anyone really state they “need” to know. We all “like” to know, but as far as needing to know, that is a stretch.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">You keep on going back to the premise that everything can be laid out in black and white, subject to empirical examination, confirmed with multiple sources and then established as a form of “scientific fact”. Hate to break the news, but the only scientific facts you’ll find are in textbooks. My argument on this is starting to become circular, but there is no way I can post documents, name individuals or do anything else that would endanger those I privately communicate with – just isn’t going to happen. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">You’ve been on this site long enough to see a lot of observations regarding the conditions of wage employees. Any single observation can’t be used to indicate anything of significance. But when more and more observations are reported and combined with information that is presented in a forum such as this, a better and better picture of the future can be created. With this information, you are in a position to make a better judgment regarding your personal situation and thus future. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Given the nature of this forum, that is the best that can be done. If you want the “Finger of God” to write out the future in stone for you, I would have to suggest that you look elsewhere, you’re not going to find that level of proof here. I think I earlier presented a rather cogent argument that illustrated the rationale in transitioning to a predominantly part-time Courier force, using “facts” that are publically disclosed by FedEx (the annual report), combined with a bit of inductive reasoning. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">In short, you seem to be asking, “Am I going to have a job in a year”. Short answer, I don’t know! If you are asking the question, “What are the odds that I’ll still be working as a full-time Courier come two years from now?’, my response would be: Not very high, but it depends on many variables. At this point, the variables that apply to a single individual are just too numerous to pin down with any sort of confidence. But when Express is taken as a whole, a better picture can be created – the career Courier is in the process of being phased out, to be replaced with a force of predominantly part-time Couriers to allow costs to be driven down and thus improve FedEx profitability. How you fit within that “big picture” of the future of FedEx, only you can make that determination. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">I present the arguments as best I can, while protecting those who I communicate with. If this doesn’t meet your demands, then so be it. I’m not out for fame on this, hell, I’m paranoid at times about just how much I do put up, for fear that I’ve revealed too many potential bits of information that can be pieced together by FedEx and harm those still with Express. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">If this doesn’t assist you, then go back the state of “ignorance is bliss” that is so common among many FedEx wage employees. Many do indeed choose to close their eyes regarding the future of their career, since spending time thinking about what they see causes a tremendous amount of anxiety that they aren’t able to deal with. By showing up here, you obviously have a need for information that Express doesn’t provide you, thus immediately indicating that you don’t trust Express. If you want a life with less anxiety, don’t read here – the content here is posted by individuals who want to engage in discussion and want to know more about their situation than Express is willing to disclose to them. You have to make the decision as to what is informed posting and what is speculation. I try to state within my posts what is personal speculation, and what is based off of information received by those I place a degree of trust with. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Since the Teamsters have more or less “bailed” on FedEx employees, the primary rationale for my posting here in the first place is gone. My goal was to inform and motivate - to get Express Couriers, RTDs, Ramp Agents and Mechanics to perform a personal gut check and make a decision to sign IBT cards. That is gone now. Now, I’m only left to present information to those who choose to read, to enable those that choose to “head to the lifeboats”, some additional time before they are forced to take a swim. There may be a chance of getting an AFL-CIO union to take up the challenge of an organization attempt, but that is highly unlikely. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">That’s about the best I can do. You have to take it from there. I can state that there is indeed “life” outside FedEx and it is quite good. Making a change often involves a bit of personal discomfort, but you’ll be better off for it in the long run. If you decide to stay with Express till what I and others believe will be the “bitter end”, best of luck. If you decide to look for an alternative method of making a living - again, best of luck. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">About the best analogy I can come up with to encapsulate this whole situation is that of “stock advice”. There is no rock solid proof that a particular stock will shoot up or be a dog. Analysis can be done on the company, the business model and the financial status to determine <u>potential </u>future performance – but in the end, it is all just informed speculation (I think they use the term “speculation” when it comes to the stock market…). Predicting FedEx is even more difficult, since the information regarding future business plans ISN’T publically available and those that do discuss the information outside of official channels are at risk of losing their employment if they are found out. This is where I believe the source of your frustration lies. At least a stock analyst can point to graphs and financial statements to “back up” their assertions. What can be done here regarding the business plans of FedEx when it comes to the careers of wage employees? </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">I hope this gives a better illustration of the difficulty in presenting a picture of the future for wage employees. The big picture can be described with a fair degree of accuracy, but how you as an individual fit within that picture cannot be determined – without giving out way too many details of plans. </span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 866799, member: 22880"] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Just as you ask questions, I ask questions, many questions… [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Concrete evidence… just what exactly is concrete evidence? I’ve seen memos (all PDFs mind you, no originals – the providers aren’t stupid enough to “lift” original documents - many aren’t physical documents, they are in electronic format only), talked to people in positions where their job function would lend considerable credence to statements they’ve made and spoken with people I’ve known for a not insignificant amount of time that have come across information on their own, NOT using the same source as I for related information. I too connect the dots. This is why I used the example I did with “Jax”; I performed a “connect the dots” exercise. Hopefully “Jax” won’t be afraid to “confirm” the dots were connected successfully, and thus illustrate my point – and if I failed to connect the dots successfully, I’d like to know via private mail…[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]If anyone were to come up here or any other public site and state: “I’ve got absolute concrete evidence”, well, I’d like to see that “concrete evidence” myself. The fact is, there is no concrete evidence, there are only business plans, conversations regarding potential business plans and individuals who have made a decision to disclose that information - since they believe getting out the information serves a purpose they are sympathetic to. I’ll point out this, business plans do change and evolve, according to the vision of corporate management and changing business environments. ANYONE attempting to [U]definitively[/U] state that a corporation will follow course “X-Y-Z” at a given time schedule is just fooling themselves and those around them. However, corporations do indeed make plans, analyze those plans, do costing analysis of those plans and even make contingency plans based on potential market changes (like Express did when faced with losing its RLA status…). [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]As far as “NEED to know”, how can anyone really state they “need” to know. We all “like” to know, but as far as needing to know, that is a stretch.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri]You keep on going back to the premise that everything can be laid out in black and white, subject to empirical examination, confirmed with multiple sources and then established as a form of “scientific fact”. Hate to break the news, but the only scientific facts you’ll find are in textbooks. My argument on this is starting to become circular, but there is no way I can post documents, name individuals or do anything else that would endanger those I privately communicate with – just isn’t going to happen. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]You’ve been on this site long enough to see a lot of observations regarding the conditions of wage employees. Any single observation can’t be used to indicate anything of significance. But when more and more observations are reported and combined with information that is presented in a forum such as this, a better and better picture of the future can be created. With this information, you are in a position to make a better judgment regarding your personal situation and thus future. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Given the nature of this forum, that is the best that can be done. If you want the “Finger of God” to write out the future in stone for you, I would have to suggest that you look elsewhere, you’re not going to find that level of proof here. I think I earlier presented a rather cogent argument that illustrated the rationale in transitioning to a predominantly part-time Courier force, using “facts” that are publically disclosed by FedEx (the annual report), combined with a bit of inductive reasoning. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri]In short, you seem to be asking, “Am I going to have a job in a year”. Short answer, I don’t know! If you are asking the question, “What are the odds that I’ll still be working as a full-time Courier come two years from now?’, my response would be: Not very high, but it depends on many variables. At this point, the variables that apply to a single individual are just too numerous to pin down with any sort of confidence. But when Express is taken as a whole, a better picture can be created – the career Courier is in the process of being phased out, to be replaced with a force of predominantly part-time Couriers to allow costs to be driven down and thus improve FedEx profitability. How you fit within that “big picture” of the future of FedEx, only you can make that determination. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]I present the arguments as best I can, while protecting those who I communicate with. If this doesn’t meet your demands, then so be it. I’m not out for fame on this, hell, I’m paranoid at times about just how much I do put up, for fear that I’ve revealed too many potential bits of information that can be pieced together by FedEx and harm those still with Express. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri]If this doesn’t assist you, then go back the state of “ignorance is bliss” that is so common among many FedEx wage employees. Many do indeed choose to close their eyes regarding the future of their career, since spending time thinking about what they see causes a tremendous amount of anxiety that they aren’t able to deal with. By showing up here, you obviously have a need for information that Express doesn’t provide you, thus immediately indicating that you don’t trust Express. If you want a life with less anxiety, don’t read here – the content here is posted by individuals who want to engage in discussion and want to know more about their situation than Express is willing to disclose to them. You have to make the decision as to what is informed posting and what is speculation. I try to state within my posts what is personal speculation, and what is based off of information received by those I place a degree of trust with. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Since the Teamsters have more or less “bailed” on FedEx employees, the primary rationale for my posting here in the first place is gone. My goal was to inform and motivate - to get Express Couriers, RTDs, Ramp Agents and Mechanics to perform a personal gut check and make a decision to sign IBT cards. That is gone now. Now, I’m only left to present information to those who choose to read, to enable those that choose to “head to the lifeboats”, some additional time before they are forced to take a swim. There may be a chance of getting an AFL-CIO union to take up the challenge of an organization attempt, but that is highly unlikely. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]That’s about the best I can do. You have to take it from there. I can state that there is indeed “life” outside FedEx and it is quite good. Making a change often involves a bit of personal discomfort, but you’ll be better off for it in the long run. If you decide to stay with Express till what I and others believe will be the “bitter end”, best of luck. If you decide to look for an alternative method of making a living - again, best of luck. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]About the best analogy I can come up with to encapsulate this whole situation is that of “stock advice”. There is no rock solid proof that a particular stock will shoot up or be a dog. Analysis can be done on the company, the business model and the financial status to determine [U]potential [/U]future performance – but in the end, it is all just informed speculation (I think they use the term “speculation” when it comes to the stock market…). Predicting FedEx is even more difficult, since the information regarding future business plans ISN’T publically available and those that do discuss the information outside of official channels are at risk of losing their employment if they are found out. This is where I believe the source of your frustration lies. At least a stock analyst can point to graphs and financial statements to “back up” their assertions. What can be done here regarding the business plans of FedEx when it comes to the careers of wage employees? [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]I hope this gives a better illustration of the difficulty in presenting a picture of the future for wage employees. The big picture can be described with a fair degree of accuracy, but how you as an individual fit within that picture cannot be determined – without giving out way too many details of plans. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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