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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 863744" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>I even tried that a couple of times. Without giving too much detail, I offered to buy the first couple of beers for anyone who would meet at a local establishment and listen to me and another give a quick 20 minute presentation we had prepared. Had a fair number show up - didn't do too much damage to my pocket book - and they had their free beer while listening to me and another. Once the free drinks ran out - so did everyone there. I think Styx had a song were the singer lamented that he they had plenty of friends as long as he was buying the drinks...</p><p></p><p>It did get the issue of unions up for discussion, but as I pointed out in another string, I was playing to a deaf crowd. </p><p></p><p>Trying to get Express Couriers to meet for ANYTHING outside of something at the Express location while on the clock is like trying to herd cats. Even when Express has one of their "free burger and a drink while on the clock" events (to show their never ending gratitude), people don't hang around - they grab a burger a drink, inhale each and leave immediately. When Express tries a Saturday event to show their gratitude (off the clock BBQ and free event), only those looking for a free meal for their kids and the last of the diehards show up. Attendance is rarely over one-third of station staff. </p><p></p><p>The thing people at UPS need to understand is that the union there is part of the unofficial culture. Of course UPS upper management would like to do away with the Teamsters, but the Teamsters have been there so long that it is part of the culture at UPS. </p><p></p><p>At Express, any talk of union is almost tantamount to corporate treason. About the closest analogy I can think of is the old East German Stassi. The way that system worked is that virtually everyone informed on everyone else, to prevent being put under the spotlight themselves. Express is about the same way when it comes to union talk. There are those that are sympathetic, but there are also those that will listen and nod their head, then as soon as possible run in to see their manager and give a full report on the "union agitators" in a hope of scoring brownie points themselves. They are pathetic people that do this, but the Express environment has created these people using fear. </p><p></p><p>For a long time, what most of my coworkers didn't realize, is that my immediate manager at the time would tell me - off company property - who ran in and did a tattletale act on me or whoever else that was attempting to quietly advocate unionization. This manager was very sympathetic to unionization, since they realized that if the Couriers were to unionize, that their own compensation package would by consequence be improved (if the Couriers got back the DBPP, within a short period of time frontline salaried personnel would too, or they would end up rebelling). FedEx does know that if a union does get in, not only the wage employees but also the salaried employees would have their compensation package improved.</p><p></p><p>One of the reason so many of what I'd called the "talented" lower management are leaving, is that they realize that Express won't unionize given the current conditions, and that they are losing as much or even more ground than the wage employees. The latest pool of ASPIRE (management training) candidates are a bunch of suck ups. </p><p></p><p>I heard this past afternoon that Express is going to push back start times even further now. Freight is sitting in the building waiting, but start times are getting pushed back further and further. Signs of change in motion...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 863744, member: 22880"] I even tried that a couple of times. Without giving too much detail, I offered to buy the first couple of beers for anyone who would meet at a local establishment and listen to me and another give a quick 20 minute presentation we had prepared. Had a fair number show up - didn't do too much damage to my pocket book - and they had their free beer while listening to me and another. Once the free drinks ran out - so did everyone there. I think Styx had a song were the singer lamented that he they had plenty of friends as long as he was buying the drinks... It did get the issue of unions up for discussion, but as I pointed out in another string, I was playing to a deaf crowd. Trying to get Express Couriers to meet for ANYTHING outside of something at the Express location while on the clock is like trying to herd cats. Even when Express has one of their "free burger and a drink while on the clock" events (to show their never ending gratitude), people don't hang around - they grab a burger a drink, inhale each and leave immediately. When Express tries a Saturday event to show their gratitude (off the clock BBQ and free event), only those looking for a free meal for their kids and the last of the diehards show up. Attendance is rarely over one-third of station staff. The thing people at UPS need to understand is that the union there is part of the unofficial culture. Of course UPS upper management would like to do away with the Teamsters, but the Teamsters have been there so long that it is part of the culture at UPS. At Express, any talk of union is almost tantamount to corporate treason. About the closest analogy I can think of is the old East German Stassi. The way that system worked is that virtually everyone informed on everyone else, to prevent being put under the spotlight themselves. Express is about the same way when it comes to union talk. There are those that are sympathetic, but there are also those that will listen and nod their head, then as soon as possible run in to see their manager and give a full report on the "union agitators" in a hope of scoring brownie points themselves. They are pathetic people that do this, but the Express environment has created these people using fear. For a long time, what most of my coworkers didn't realize, is that my immediate manager at the time would tell me - off company property - who ran in and did a tattletale act on me or whoever else that was attempting to quietly advocate unionization. This manager was very sympathetic to unionization, since they realized that if the Couriers were to unionize, that their own compensation package would by consequence be improved (if the Couriers got back the DBPP, within a short period of time frontline salaried personnel would too, or they would end up rebelling). FedEx does know that if a union does get in, not only the wage employees but also the salaried employees would have their compensation package improved. One of the reason so many of what I'd called the "talented" lower management are leaving, is that they realize that Express won't unionize given the current conditions, and that they are losing as much or even more ground than the wage employees. The latest pool of ASPIRE (management training) candidates are a bunch of suck ups. I heard this past afternoon that Express is going to push back start times even further now. Freight is sitting in the building waiting, but start times are getting pushed back further and further. Signs of change in motion... [/QUOTE]
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