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<blockquote data-quote="ezrider" data-source="post: 56858"><p>ups79 </p><p> </p><p>I'd agree with the latter part of your post. It does take every spoke of the wheel to keep it going. But the comparison made here that since passenger airlines have struggled and laid off pilots, or in the case of some like UNITED just screwed thier employees out of a pension, that somehow UPS pilots that fly packages should just accept whatever the company deems a fair offer is nonsense. I didn't see many drivers complaining when pilots stood out with other hourlies holding picket signs for those two weeks in '97, but now all of a sudden they are deemed as these greedy opportunists trying to grind the last dollar at the expense of alienating the ever-fickle customer base. That sounds like the company line that a shareholder wants to believe. As an employee, there's no way I take that at face value. </p><p> </p><p>Wily, your right on this much-I mistook VET for you. I'd disagree with the rest. If FEDEX GROUND or DHL went belly-up in the next three years and UPS took the position at the 2008 talks that there were plenty of unemployed drivers that could "easily replace" you and the rest of us, you and every other poster here acting like judge and jury on the UPS pilots stance would be crying foul all the way. Your not at the talks and I doubt you know the federal mediator presiding over them, yet without knowing the specifics your ready to admonish the pilots union for doing nothing more than the same thing that IBT rank and file has also done in the late innings of tough negotiations. You and everybody else here wouldn't settle for anything less than you and IBT decided you were worth even if it meant using your last resort, so why shouldn't they? </p><p> </p><p>As for not giving EDD enough time, I've given it exactly a year-and-a-half and it stinks. Wrong labels continually placed on the wrong packages and re-loops where some office maroon looked at a map setting up delivery stops going the wrong way down one-way streets translates into bad service and lost customers. Don't be pointing fingers at the pilots for alienating the customers. Management does it every single day and EDD is all the proof anybody needs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ezrider, post: 56858"] ups79 I'd agree with the latter part of your post. It does take every spoke of the wheel to keep it going. But the comparison made here that since passenger airlines have struggled and laid off pilots, or in the case of some like UNITED just screwed thier employees out of a pension, that somehow UPS pilots that fly packages should just accept whatever the company deems a fair offer is nonsense. I didn't see many drivers complaining when pilots stood out with other hourlies holding picket signs for those two weeks in '97, but now all of a sudden they are deemed as these greedy opportunists trying to grind the last dollar at the expense of alienating the ever-fickle customer base. That sounds like the company line that a shareholder wants to believe. As an employee, there's no way I take that at face value. Wily, your right on this much-I mistook VET for you. I'd disagree with the rest. If FEDEX GROUND or DHL went belly-up in the next three years and UPS took the position at the 2008 talks that there were plenty of unemployed drivers that could "easily replace" you and the rest of us, you and every other poster here acting like judge and jury on the UPS pilots stance would be crying foul all the way. Your not at the talks and I doubt you know the federal mediator presiding over them, yet without knowing the specifics your ready to admonish the pilots union for doing nothing more than the same thing that IBT rank and file has also done in the late innings of tough negotiations. You and everybody else here wouldn't settle for anything less than you and IBT decided you were worth even if it meant using your last resort, so why shouldn't they? As for not giving EDD enough time, I've given it exactly a year-and-a-half and it stinks. Wrong labels continually placed on the wrong packages and re-loops where some office maroon looked at a map setting up delivery stops going the wrong way down one-way streets translates into bad service and lost customers. Don't be pointing fingers at the pilots for alienating the customers. Management does it every single day and EDD is all the proof anybody needs. [/QUOTE]
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