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<blockquote data-quote="TNT Frosty" data-source="post: 3924148" data-attributes="member: 76216"><p>Thanks for correcting the slight miss-spelt word there. (love phone typing)</p><p>==============</p><p>The times iv'e spoken to FedEx etc, sure it may take its time, but issues do get resolved or more of an understanding sooner or later.</p><p>Not too sure why you guys are worked up about AI doing the job, (honest question)</p><p></p><p>Germany trials for their mercs to change speed depending on the speed signs, became so faulty, not only because of the number of signs, but also, the computer is determining your speed and weight, and getting said vehicle up to, or slow down to the correct speed. it's also got to work out, snow, rain, hail, heat.. (and we know heat + computers = dead)</p><p>There is a lot of factors to go into automating a truck, let alone a car... road type, time of day, is it a school day, emergency road works, car crashes...</p><p>Now to look onto a driver-less truck... and lets use Waymo as the operator.</p><p>If you look at the cars they have rolling out, they require cameras/sensors all over the truck, to cover the full range of the truck, so they will need either 4 smaller ones, or two higher sensors on the top, increasing truck height, and width.</p><p>Waymo has also said that they plan to have driver-less cars... but will have "drivers" behind the wheel just in case (March 2018, a driver less car kills 49yr old women in Arizona)</p><p>Its also found that once the cars start to move in making a "hard turn".. they keep going, and even after hitting another car or person they keep making the turn, just think of what will happen with a 40-70tonn truck.. and trailer... and if your trailer tire gets a flat, what the computer will assume will be a safe turn in a "hard spot, like crossing traffic"... or what would be a safe turn, on a major intersection where you cross two lanes have a small nature strip, then the two lanes on the other-side.. trucks ar'nt small... and so the sensors will have to be huge just for the range and the mixture of trailers and dollies attached...</p><p>Even the CEO of Waymo said that it will take centuries before cars are even more practical to out weight the costs.</p><p>SAE (J3016) Automation Levels</p><p>Even level 4 and 5 (high automation and full automation), still has a human driver behind the wheel, or managed by a human driver </p><p>-----</p><p>If I was running my own depot, so far what ive seen from FedEx theres not much left to change from the human contact, to the robot.</p><p>I could see the yard being changed a bit (but too costly), where you wont need tug drivers (or depot drivers, not sure what you guys call them).. where you line your trailers into a bay on the ground, unhook rear trailer, move up a little to the next (if needed), take off dolly, move up to the next, take off last trailer, etc (depending on your trailer numbers)... then you move your cab to a resting spot, and a small robot cart comes round and hooks up to one of the three "objects" either by the pin, or reverse up to the dolly to hook, then takes them to their bay...</p><p>And the reverse could happen, where the robots collect and build up the trailer combo for you and sets it in the staging area for you...</p><p>That example has some great security built into it, where you wouldn't even need to enter some locations that require background checks, or even when a trailer is late, or early... if early, no matter to you, as it would be in a staging area for the robot, and you can be on your way with a set of empties just have to drop and hook... if late, the robots could be sent a red alert to pick up your load asap, and give you empties asap in return...</p><p></p><p>But aside from that, the rest of the line up is fine, is just a few old timers, and people stuck/trained in the old ways of trying to be quick, and lazy for a buck.</p><p>Complain of not having enough to do, or complain of having too much, either way, there's someone to complain</p><p>======================</p><p></p><p>Oh for those saying the immigrants are also taking your jobs, you gotta have one first <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> (lols, been waiting to say that for ages); but on serious note, im just wanting to work 2-3 years with you guys, however the red tape is huge, as to go for my CDL is a right pain (even though im a trucker here in australia), not to mention, that FedEx must pay the same, or more to them, then what they are paying you guys, so as not to undercut the market... that means the drivers who are getting paid less, find out who is employing them, and complain to them, as that person is still getting the higher amount, just not paying his, or her, drivers the right amount, you can even call your immigration and let them know (big pay day for them, for the fines, and removing of said person)</p><p></p><p>=======</p><p>Ok, all PC typed, hopefully not too many spelling mistakes [USER=29011]@Cactus[/USER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TNT Frosty, post: 3924148, member: 76216"] Thanks for correcting the slight miss-spelt word there. (love phone typing) ============== The times iv'e spoken to FedEx etc, sure it may take its time, but issues do get resolved or more of an understanding sooner or later. Not too sure why you guys are worked up about AI doing the job, (honest question) Germany trials for their mercs to change speed depending on the speed signs, became so faulty, not only because of the number of signs, but also, the computer is determining your speed and weight, and getting said vehicle up to, or slow down to the correct speed. it's also got to work out, snow, rain, hail, heat.. (and we know heat + computers = dead) There is a lot of factors to go into automating a truck, let alone a car... road type, time of day, is it a school day, emergency road works, car crashes... Now to look onto a driver-less truck... and lets use Waymo as the operator. If you look at the cars they have rolling out, they require cameras/sensors all over the truck, to cover the full range of the truck, so they will need either 4 smaller ones, or two higher sensors on the top, increasing truck height, and width. Waymo has also said that they plan to have driver-less cars... but will have "drivers" behind the wheel just in case (March 2018, a driver less car kills 49yr old women in Arizona) Its also found that once the cars start to move in making a "hard turn".. they keep going, and even after hitting another car or person they keep making the turn, just think of what will happen with a 40-70tonn truck.. and trailer... and if your trailer tire gets a flat, what the computer will assume will be a safe turn in a "hard spot, like crossing traffic"... or what would be a safe turn, on a major intersection where you cross two lanes have a small nature strip, then the two lanes on the other-side.. trucks ar'nt small... and so the sensors will have to be huge just for the range and the mixture of trailers and dollies attached... Even the CEO of Waymo said that it will take centuries before cars are even more practical to out weight the costs. SAE (J3016) Automation Levels Even level 4 and 5 (high automation and full automation), still has a human driver behind the wheel, or managed by a human driver ----- If I was running my own depot, so far what ive seen from FedEx theres not much left to change from the human contact, to the robot. I could see the yard being changed a bit (but too costly), where you wont need tug drivers (or depot drivers, not sure what you guys call them).. where you line your trailers into a bay on the ground, unhook rear trailer, move up a little to the next (if needed), take off dolly, move up to the next, take off last trailer, etc (depending on your trailer numbers)... then you move your cab to a resting spot, and a small robot cart comes round and hooks up to one of the three "objects" either by the pin, or reverse up to the dolly to hook, then takes them to their bay... And the reverse could happen, where the robots collect and build up the trailer combo for you and sets it in the staging area for you... That example has some great security built into it, where you wouldn't even need to enter some locations that require background checks, or even when a trailer is late, or early... if early, no matter to you, as it would be in a staging area for the robot, and you can be on your way with a set of empties just have to drop and hook... if late, the robots could be sent a red alert to pick up your load asap, and give you empties asap in return... But aside from that, the rest of the line up is fine, is just a few old timers, and people stuck/trained in the old ways of trying to be quick, and lazy for a buck. Complain of not having enough to do, or complain of having too much, either way, there's someone to complain ====================== Oh for those saying the immigrants are also taking your jobs, you gotta have one first ;) (lols, been waiting to say that for ages); but on serious note, im just wanting to work 2-3 years with you guys, however the red tape is huge, as to go for my CDL is a right pain (even though im a trucker here in australia), not to mention, that FedEx must pay the same, or more to them, then what they are paying you guys, so as not to undercut the market... that means the drivers who are getting paid less, find out who is employing them, and complain to them, as that person is still getting the higher amount, just not paying his, or her, drivers the right amount, you can even call your immigration and let them know (big pay day for them, for the fines, and removing of said person) ======= Ok, all PC typed, hopefully not too many spelling mistakes [USER=29011]@Cactus[/USER] [/QUOTE]
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