Fired for dishonesty policy

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by upser1978, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    I signed for a customers package at a business cause they were on the phone. They caught me and I admitted it. They fired me and now i'm going to the panel. Has anyone else had this problem? I have a pretty good record so far. Not sure what to expect.
  2. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Didn't Clinton teach you anything???

    Does the customer dispute what occurred? Can you get a statement from the customer that you did this as a courtesy to them, and not as any type of attempt to be dishonest?
  3. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Theres more that is needed to understand the complete circumstances BEFORE anyone can give you any advice..

    First, answer these questions...

    1) after you signed for the package, did the package turn up missing?
    2) after you signed for the package, did you advise the customer where you placed it?
    3) before you signed for the package, did you make contact with the customer?
    4) before you signed for the package, did you just assume the customer was busy and signed for it and walked out?
    5) did the customer call and claim the package was lost?
    6) did the customer talk to YOU first before they contacted the company?
    7) Was there even a claim filed on this package?
    8) how did the company become aware that YOU signed for the package before you admitted it??
    9) did you have a steward with you when you were questioned about this delivery?
    10) Who trained you to sign for packages when customers are busy, or did you make this decision yourself?

    You have to explain all these first, before anyone can advise you what to expect.



  4. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    It wasn't a signature required package it was a no DR. Customer called and complained that they didnt sign for their package. Even if they would of approved of me signing it UPS would not of cared. I was just trying to do the customer a courtesy cause i felt safe leaving it. I'm assuming i will have no problems at the panel i admitted all my wrongs.
  5. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    They did receive the package. They just misplaced it. No claim was filed and no package was missing.
  6. CAFAL

    CAFAL New Member

    I use sdn all the time for customers that are busy,as a courtesy to them. I will not wait in line at a store,or interupt people dealing with their customers. I do have a good relationship with all my customers though. Goodluck. I don't see it as a problem.
  7. CAFAL

    CAFAL New Member

    I also will NOT ever sign a customers name
  8. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    Yes. I learned my lesson already. I just don't know how far they are going to take it. I hope the Teamsters can work something out in the panel for me. I'm not sure how those work out. I have never been to one. I was told they generally come to an agreement unless you really are a habitual offender.
  9. packageguy

    packageguy Well-Known Member

    I will tell you in our center, if you are a problem child they go for your job.
    If you have a clean record with attendence, lates, service failures, and so on.
    You would get time served, or company would ask for 2 weeks union would
    fight for 5 day suspension. good luck
  10. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    You didnt quite answer the questions...

    You said THEY misplaced the package? But you didnt say whether you made contact with the customer after you signed for it.

    Regardless, the company must feel as if you intended on being dishonest with the delivery. While you may have admitted it, this may not work out for you.

    It may help if your record is clean, not a discipline problem or you have no such deliveries in your history.

    I really question your judgement as to why you would even attempt this and felt comfortable doing it. Wouldnt it have been alot easier to just have DR'd the package and put a note in the comments line???

    You can always explain a business DR.

    We all encounter situations like this all the time, and sometimes the easiest thing to do is not the right thing to do. Should you prevail, I hope you learn that we wait until we get it done correctly.


  11. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    I have been off for 3 weeks now waiting for the panel. I'm assuming when they work out a deal they will just say suspension for time served. also we are short drivers for peak I think the timing works out to my advantage. What happens if they dont reach an agreement at the panel?
  12. Shifting Contents

    Shifting Contents Most Help Needed

    So it is your first posts story or your second? It went from a bussiness on the phone to no DR that you felt comfortable signing for. Which is it?
  13. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    You either lose your job which is final and binding or it gets deadlocked and it moves to the next panel.
  14. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    Ok.. I heard a majority gets settled at the panel though unless you're a real f#$% up
  15. upser1978

    upser1978 New Member

    It was a package that the company that sent it didnt require a signature. I delivered it and left it.. they misplaced it in the office and found it. called cause they thought they didnt receive it.
  16. 104Feeder

    104Feeder Phoenix Feeder

    Our Local 104 Package Rider has this language in Section 2, pp7: "The first offense of signing for a package where dishonesty is not proven, will not result in discharge or suspension. The second such offense shall be cause for immediate discharge."

    Might ask why it's OK once out here in good old AZ as long as you own up to it but not where you are.
  17. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    So, you signed for a non-signature package at a business as a courtesy to them. They somehow picked up the package and, yet, misplaced it. They called the center(?) to complain that they didn't sign for it. So, in that scenario, they knew they had the package, but were upset they didn't sign for it? I thought they misplaced it?
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Semantics aside, the OP took a shortcut which came back to bite him in the butt. He will receive a time-served suspension with loss of pay.
  19. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Well, no more responses are needed. :rofl:
  20. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Upstate has spoken. We may now (with His permission) close the thread.