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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 350129" data-attributes="member: 8259"><p>I really do not think there is such a thing as an unofficial policy. I still think what you have is a fear of these aggressive prosecutions that have been going on. This did not go on where I was but it was brought up and quickly squashed by our CO. The reason was our IA counterparts did not have enough weapons and any AK that was taken needed to be given to them. Our command had faith in our ability to make the correct decision with the use of deadly force. </p><p> </p><p>I am really curious now how you guys would see a fairly common situation and this is not just directed at you Jones. A company gets intel of an Al Queada safe house. A forward observer and two infantrymen set up an op to over watch the house and monitor activity. After two days the op notices increased activity at the house and sends up a report to battalion. A platoon is on patrol in the area and is sent to the house to check it out while QRF is spun up. As the patrol approaches the house they meet heavy resistance from the house. RPG and RPK fire is intense and traps the platoon in a kill zone. The forward observer and infantry OP can see the men on the roof and request permission to engage with direct fire. The platoon leader instructs them to not give up their position with direct fire but to use indirect fire. The forward observer calls in one round of HE VT. Being a well trained Soldier of the US Army he scores a direct hit. The platoon has two damaged vehicles and has to call in a recovery effort. One squad is sent to secure the house. When they arrive at the house they find no RPG or RPK but seven dead Iraqis. The OP did not notice anyone escape. Were these men noncombatants? Is anyone charged at this point for a crime? We have a very damaged house with seven very dead Iraqis with no weapons. Battalion had declared this building hostile before indirect fire was used. Troops were in contact.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Now the real trouble starts. Recovery is on the way with a convoy full of fobbits much like the 7 ton driver in the video. The platoon SFC takes his vehicle to the house and leaves his dismounts to pull security at the site of the two damaged vehicles. He has two AK's that were taken earlier in the patrol in his vehicle. He takes them to the roof and leaves them there. He knows that when recovery gets to the scene with the body bags they will see the AK and he will have plenty of witnesses for hostile intent. His platoon was investigated by CID for three days a month earlier and he has a real fear of an over reaching prosecution much like the Haditha Marines have faced. Pictures are not allowed to be taken. They never are. </p><p> </p><p>Now has a crime been committed? What is the crime? Who committed it? Who gets charged? Why?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 350129, member: 8259"] I really do not think there is such a thing as an unofficial policy. I still think what you have is a fear of these aggressive prosecutions that have been going on. This did not go on where I was but it was brought up and quickly squashed by our CO. The reason was our IA counterparts did not have enough weapons and any AK that was taken needed to be given to them. Our command had faith in our ability to make the correct decision with the use of deadly force. I am really curious now how you guys would see a fairly common situation and this is not just directed at you Jones. A company gets intel of an Al Queada safe house. A forward observer and two infantrymen set up an op to over watch the house and monitor activity. After two days the op notices increased activity at the house and sends up a report to battalion. A platoon is on patrol in the area and is sent to the house to check it out while QRF is spun up. As the patrol approaches the house they meet heavy resistance from the house. RPG and RPK fire is intense and traps the platoon in a kill zone. The forward observer and infantry OP can see the men on the roof and request permission to engage with direct fire. The platoon leader instructs them to not give up their position with direct fire but to use indirect fire. The forward observer calls in one round of HE VT. Being a well trained Soldier of the US Army he scores a direct hit. The platoon has two damaged vehicles and has to call in a recovery effort. One squad is sent to secure the house. When they arrive at the house they find no RPG or RPK but seven dead Iraqis. The OP did not notice anyone escape. Were these men noncombatants? Is anyone charged at this point for a crime? We have a very damaged house with seven very dead Iraqis with no weapons. Battalion had declared this building hostile before indirect fire was used. Troops were in contact. Now the real trouble starts. Recovery is on the way with a convoy full of fobbits much like the 7 ton driver in the video. The platoon SFC takes his vehicle to the house and leaves his dismounts to pull security at the site of the two damaged vehicles. He has two AK's that were taken earlier in the patrol in his vehicle. He takes them to the roof and leaves them there. He knows that when recovery gets to the scene with the body bags they will see the AK and he will have plenty of witnesses for hostile intent. His platoon was investigated by CID for three days a month earlier and he has a real fear of an over reaching prosecution much like the Haditha Marines have faced. Pictures are not allowed to be taken. They never are. Now has a crime been committed? What is the crime? Who committed it? Who gets charged? Why? [/QUOTE]
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