Found this Tier 3 on Reddit

[barnyard]

I also notice the rear door partially open after impact. They’re going to give him grief for not chaining it.

Only if it was driving to or from the delivery area.

 

[KOG72]

You must be new here

None of that matters to ups it’s still avoidable

It wasn’t my fault........but what did you do to avoid it???

 

[SandSpida]

We had a driver that got backed into as he was driving through a parking lot. Some old lady that shouldn’t of even been behind the wheel. Supervisor actually had the ovaries to say, “if he was driving 5 mph slower through the parking lot, he probably would of never got hit“. I wonder if they come up with this or the higher ups tell them to say it.

 

[DriverNerd]

It’s scary how easily our package cars will tip over.

I don't think they tip over easily at all. I find them very stable (considering how narrow they are). He just got hit behind the rear tire, that's going to make anyone in that position (that doesn't have race car driver reflexes) get sideways.

 

[DriverNerd]

We had a driver that got backed into as he was driving through a parking lot. Some old lady that shouldn’t of even been behind the wheel. Supervisor actually had the ovaries to say, “if he was driving 5 mph slower through the parking lot, he probably would of never got hit“. I wonder if they come up with this or the higher ups tell them to say it.

I got rear ended one time and they said I should have seen the person behind me not slowing down and I should have honked my horn.

 

[Operational needs]

That music is awful

Reggaeton?

 

[Red Devil]

was gonna say the same thing. all drivers are guilty until proven innocent.
this is where dash cams will help.

OUTWARD FACING ONLY

 

[kxs783kms]

You must be new here

None of that matters to ups it’s still avoidable

True

 

[Fido]

Would just get out and start kicking whoever is driving the SUV’s ass

 

[Integrity]

It wasn’t my fault........but what did you do to avoid it???

All accidents and injuries that have already happened by definition are unavoidable because they were not avoided.

There may be possible ways to possibly avoid a similar accident or injury in the future but that’s an entirely different discussion, nothing can be done to avoid something that has already taken place.

The Company has tried in the past to get me, in my early days , and some of my fellow workers more recently, to engage in, what IMO was supposed to be “good faith” discussions about an accident or an injury while making out an injury or accident investigation report.

I will not participate in an accident or injury investigation report without a Shop Steward.

When asked the question if there was anything I think I could have done to avoid the accident or injury I always say no because if there was something I could have done to avoid the accident or injury I would have done it.

They don’t like it but it has proven to work for me.

I firmly believe the Union should do a better job with representation during accident/injury investigation reports.

I am the only person I know of who insists on a Shop Steward to be present.

While Steward, not one of my guys ever had me represent them during the investigation report. They did want my representation after they were being disciplined for the accident or injury. I told them all it was their right to have representation during the report, for some reason they choose to go it alone.

 

[MyTripisCut]

All accidents and injuries that have already happened by definition are unavoidable because they were not avoided.

There may be possible ways to possibly avoid a similar accident or injury in the future but that’s an entirely different discussion, nothing can be done to avoid something that has already taken place.

The Company has tried in the past to get me, in my early days , and some of my fellow workers more recently, to engage in, what IMO was supposed to be “good faith” discussions about an accident or an injury while making out an injury or accident investigation report.

I will not participate in an accident or injury investigation report without a Shop Steward.

When asked the question if there was anything I think I could have done to avoid the accident or injury I always say no because if there was something I could have done to avoid the accident or injury I would have done it.

They don’t like it but it has proven to work for me.

I firmly believe the Union should do a better job with representation during accident/injury investigation reports.

I am the only person I know of who insists on a Shop Steward to be present.

While Steward, not one of my guys ever had me represent them during the investigation report. They did want my representation after they were being disciplined for the accident or injury. I told them all it was their right to have representation during the report, for some reason they choose to go it alone.

Just out of curiosity but what Article of the NMA would a steward use to combat the accident interview?

 

[Wally]

Which I think is BS. The driver couldn’t see that SUV coming when he entered the intersection. Maybe never even saw it at all. How are you going to avoid some idiot blowing thru an intersection while staring at their phone.

edit: after watching the video again maybe the SUV was visible to the driver. Even then if he slammed on his brakes looks like he would’ve t-boned the SUV.

I also notice the rear door partially open after impact. They’re going to give him grief for not chaining it.

We are to only chain going to and from the building.

 

[1BROWNWRENCH]

Failure to expect the unexpected

 

[ManInBrown]

UPS Reddit is a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down. So much nonsense. Good video though.

 

[Spanky250]

Failure to expect the unexpected

That's the one they use as a fall back when there's absolutely nothing a driver could have done to avoid an accident. It's deliberately worded so that it makes ALL accidents "avoidable".

 

[Integrity]

Just out of curiosity but what Article of the NMA would a steward use to combat the accident interview?

NP
Article 4 and Article 18.

 

[Brownslave688]

He didn’t...

so what you stop at ever intersection and wait until all of the other vehicles stop and get out and wave you on?

 

[olroadbeech]

that's why they call safe driving awards safe lying...
I had 5-6 "accidents" in my career. all but one in the yard . all extremely minor which I self reported.

Most drivers said I was stupid for reporting them. that was an eye opener.

 

[DriverNerd]

that's why they call safe driving awards safe lying...
I had 5-6 "accidents" in my career. all but one in the yard . all extremely minor which I self reported.

Most drivers said I was stupid for reporting them. that was an eye opener.

It's not stupid when you get fired for not reporting a minor scrape and someone saw you and reported it.

And if you have a 20+ year driver, an accident that's even kind of their fault is magically unavoidable but for any new guy it would be no questions asked avoidable.

 

[DumbTruckDriver]

All accidents and injuries that have already happened by definition are unavoidable because they were not avoided.

There may be possible ways to possibly avoid a similar accident or injury in the future but that’s an entirely different discussion, nothing can be done to avoid something that has already taken place.

The Company has tried in the past to get me, in my early days , and some of my fellow workers more recently, to engage in, what IMO was supposed to be “good faith” discussions about an accident or an injury while making out an injury or accident investigation report.

I will not participate in an accident or injury investigation report without a Shop Steward.

When asked the question if there was anything I think I could have done to avoid the accident or injury I always say no because if there was something I could have done to avoid the accident or injury I would have done it.

They don’t like it but it has proven to work for me.

I firmly believe the Union should do a better job with representation during accident/injury investigation reports.

I am the only person I know of who insists on a Shop Steward to be present.

While Steward, not one of my guys ever had me represent them during the investigation report. They did want my representation after they were being disciplined for the accident or injury. I told them all it was their right to have representation during the report, for some reason they choose to go it alone.

I don’t think you understand what “unavoidable” means.