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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1396704" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Well, ask yourself this, if you had an infection in your hand, would you cut off your arm first before treating it with antibiotics?</p><p></p><p>Its easy to say "lets get rid of ron and his cronies", but at what cost? How many employees are you willing to sacrifice over the next three years to get rid of Ron?</p><p></p><p>There is NO guarantee that G or anyone in his slate can defend an employee in arbitration or on the front lines. </p><p></p><p>This will be the price "we" pay, when the company realizes that it can man handle G and everyone of his inexperienced slate members. Secondly, there is the local itself to worry about. Finances to run the local take alot of responsibility to manage. G having zero executive experience doesnt lend itself to safeguarding the locals treasury.</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, we know what monster we have in H already, so why experiment with G? "</p><p></p><p>G wanted to run again, thats fine, we stepped aside to let him do so. No sense running competing slates and splitting the votes in either direction.</p><p></p><p>If G actually had a chance to win over the membership here in local 396, I would support him, but unfortunately, he doesnt. </p><p></p><p>Ron will get rid of himself in less than three years. He will win this election, stay for about 1 1/2 years, retire from our local and run for national office with the current IBT board members, leaving Phillips to guide our local for the remaining part of Ronnie's term.</p><p></p><p>This way, Phillips gets a chance to show us all here in 396 that he is not a bucket of scum, like he currently projects to all of us.</p><p></p><p>In the next cycle, running against Phillips will be like running through a paper wall like in a high school football game..</p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.mndesignsinc.com/data/cart/categories/sub/123.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>This membership will never place itself in jeopardy with unproven people, just because they hate the ones in office.</p><p></p><p>Remember this, its all about the mathematics.</p><p></p><p>In our local, 3000 votes will be counted towards our election. Of course we all know, this is a fraction of the votes possible in our local, but its the normal average for the last 18 years.</p><p></p><p>That means that the winner needs 1501 to win this election. When Ron and I ran the first time, we received over 2700 votes, leaving practically nothing for bruno and tdu.</p><p></p><p>Since I left, Ron has lost almost one thousand votes, but still continues to win the elections. Two have run against him so far, and both have fallen way short of winning.</p><p></p><p>G ran last time, and I predicted on this board, he would get 935 votes. He received 955, meaning I was only off my projection by 20 votes. I have called them pretty close over the last 20 years in this local ever since being involved as an Executive officer and business agent for this local.</p><p></p><p>Each time a candidate runs and loses, he loses 20% of the vote he received the first time around, so, given this fact, G will lose approx. 200 votes right off the bat from what he received in the last election. In order to get those votes back, he has to change his lineup with people who can "DRAW" votes. Sal was one of them, but he no longer is involved with G.</p><p></p><p>Now, he has aligned himself with a rubbish leader, and that will gain some votes, but even if he draws 200 more sanitation votes, all he has done is cancel out the loses G himself will bring to the slate.</p><p></p><p>With a couple of other changes, G could gain possibly 100 votes, but that leaves him way short of 1501.</p><p></p><p>If a second or third slate runs, those numbers for G get worse, even if the second or third slates get 200 each, thats 400 away from G and he loses even bigger.</p><p></p><p>This is why the encumbent always encourages more slates than is needed. They know the vote divides in their favor.</p><p></p><p>Its all about the math.</p><p></p><p>As for the turnout, its always LESS, not more. Look at the contract, hardly anyone voted for it in our local, maybe 10% of the total UPSers. </p><p></p><p>Part timers wont vote with regularity, no matter how crappy the contract is. They dont have the long term vision to understand its implications. That's not an insult, its a definition of understanding.</p><p></p><p>Look at this last contract, in the begining, everyone was pissed off, but as time went by, people became disconnected and didnt care anymore, all they wanted was the back pay. Same with elections, the contract is a thing of the past to most, so it comes down to leadership.</p><p></p><p>Its practically all the same 3000 voters each time, so NO new faces to count, which means, you have to be able to change peoples minds. That takes leadership and accomplishment.</p><p></p><p>If you cant lead, you cant win.</p><p></p><p>If a candidate has to rely on outside influences and "their" accomplishments to be recognized, then you have a candidate who stands in a shadow.</p><p></p><p>Fred Z. knows nothing about G or his actions as a business agent. I do.</p><p></p><p>I was an executive officer of the local at the time.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1396704, member: 17969"] Well, ask yourself this, if you had an infection in your hand, would you cut off your arm first before treating it with antibiotics? Its easy to say "lets get rid of ron and his cronies", but at what cost? How many employees are you willing to sacrifice over the next three years to get rid of Ron? There is NO guarantee that G or anyone in his slate can defend an employee in arbitration or on the front lines. This will be the price "we" pay, when the company realizes that it can man handle G and everyone of his inexperienced slate members. Secondly, there is the local itself to worry about. Finances to run the local take alot of responsibility to manage. G having zero executive experience doesnt lend itself to safeguarding the locals treasury. Thirdly, we know what monster we have in H already, so why experiment with G? " G wanted to run again, thats fine, we stepped aside to let him do so. No sense running competing slates and splitting the votes in either direction. If G actually had a chance to win over the membership here in local 396, I would support him, but unfortunately, he doesnt. Ron will get rid of himself in less than three years. He will win this election, stay for about 1 1/2 years, retire from our local and run for national office with the current IBT board members, leaving Phillips to guide our local for the remaining part of Ronnie's term. This way, Phillips gets a chance to show us all here in 396 that he is not a bucket of scum, like he currently projects to all of us. In the next cycle, running against Phillips will be like running through a paper wall like in a high school football game.. [IMG]http://www.mndesignsinc.com/data/cart/categories/sub/123.jpg[/IMG] This membership will never place itself in jeopardy with unproven people, just because they hate the ones in office. Remember this, its all about the mathematics. In our local, 3000 votes will be counted towards our election. Of course we all know, this is a fraction of the votes possible in our local, but its the normal average for the last 18 years. That means that the winner needs 1501 to win this election. When Ron and I ran the first time, we received over 2700 votes, leaving practically nothing for bruno and tdu. Since I left, Ron has lost almost one thousand votes, but still continues to win the elections. Two have run against him so far, and both have fallen way short of winning. G ran last time, and I predicted on this board, he would get 935 votes. He received 955, meaning I was only off my projection by 20 votes. I have called them pretty close over the last 20 years in this local ever since being involved as an Executive officer and business agent for this local. Each time a candidate runs and loses, he loses 20% of the vote he received the first time around, so, given this fact, G will lose approx. 200 votes right off the bat from what he received in the last election. In order to get those votes back, he has to change his lineup with people who can "DRAW" votes. Sal was one of them, but he no longer is involved with G. Now, he has aligned himself with a rubbish leader, and that will gain some votes, but even if he draws 200 more sanitation votes, all he has done is cancel out the loses G himself will bring to the slate. With a couple of other changes, G could gain possibly 100 votes, but that leaves him way short of 1501. If a second or third slate runs, those numbers for G get worse, even if the second or third slates get 200 each, thats 400 away from G and he loses even bigger. This is why the encumbent always encourages more slates than is needed. They know the vote divides in their favor. Its all about the math. As for the turnout, its always LESS, not more. Look at the contract, hardly anyone voted for it in our local, maybe 10% of the total UPSers. Part timers wont vote with regularity, no matter how crappy the contract is. They dont have the long term vision to understand its implications. That's not an insult, its a definition of understanding. Look at this last contract, in the begining, everyone was pissed off, but as time went by, people became disconnected and didnt care anymore, all they wanted was the back pay. Same with elections, the contract is a thing of the past to most, so it comes down to leadership. Its practically all the same 3000 voters each time, so NO new faces to count, which means, you have to be able to change peoples minds. That takes leadership and accomplishment. If you cant lead, you cant win. If a candidate has to rely on outside influences and "their" accomplishments to be recognized, then you have a candidate who stands in a shadow. Fred Z. knows nothing about G or his actions as a business agent. I do. I was an executive officer of the local at the time. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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