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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 622901" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>Red;</p><p> </p><p>No, I believe people like *YOU* will "make UPS go out of business"...or at least out of the business that employs those who are as representative of unions today as you are. Doubt that it could happen? Look at Teamster history. Hell, look at UPS history! In case you hadn't noticed, UPS has gone from almost totally "Teamster" to having less than 50% of it's employees being members of the union in the last 30 years. You see that trend being discontinued, do you?</p><p> </p><p>As for your comment of "UPS agreed to this language", see my prior references to so-called labor "contracts"...and consider just how much ethical credibility they have as "agreements". And consider, for a moment, just how much such "agreements" are worth when companies go out of business. Remember the weeping and gnashing of teeth the Teamsters gushed forth with when Consolidated closed down a few Labor Days back? And remember the wise-ass Teamsters who, right up to the weekend they closed the doors, were talking big about "enforcing the contract" in terms of nit-picky stuff just like you are now? How about Red Star? And how are those Stella 'd' Oro folks doing in the Bronx after their "win"? Heck, let's get closer to home...what are those 710 dudes accomplishing in the way of "saving jobs" with their YRCW recalcitrance? In other words, let's call a spade a spade here.</p><p> </p><p>So, in a word, "yes", I *DO* consider it "the Teamsters fault". While you may consider it the responsibility of the member to "enforce the contract", I can't help but recall that UPS employees are employed by UPS, and *NOT* the Teamsters...and that their primary responsibility is to function AS EMPLOYEES, a responsibility that you, apparently, aren't aware of. </p><p> </p><p>As for what is my "responsibility", I suggest that you, too, try to find a cure for that far-too-widespread Teamsters disease of "jumping to conclusions". Fuirthermore, in terms of the "perks" I enjoy that "the UPSers fought hard to get for us", I, indeed, think of them every day. But I enjoy on the basis of what *UPSers" fought for; not the EMPLOYEES of UPSers. And, in truth, I'm far MORE likely to "think" of the perks that I'm giving *YOU*, and what they're costing me. Big difference there. I understand that it's a difference you (if representative of most Teamsters) aren't quite prepared to deal with; big surprise! And I also understand that, for some reason, many like you feel it's your RIGHT to be subsidized by those of us who ARE the company.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry, but I don't see it that way. You want THAT type of "enjoyment", then I suggest you leave to go form your OWN company...and leave ours alone.</p><p> </p><p>I'm sure you'll be greatly missed! [smile]</p><p> </p><p>P.S. - Guess you didn't choose to back up your contentions via the path I suggested in my previous post, 'eh? Wonder why? Could it be that a million Teamster jobs pissed away by attitudes like yours make coming up with evidence a little difficult? 'Nah...of course not! [last "grin"!]</p><p> </p><p>P.P.S. - If the hours, conditions, etc. at UPS are bothering you, and/or you feel UPS is holding up to it's part of "the agreement", you could also just quit and have the Teamsters dig you up another Teamster-organized job. After all, they've just got tons of 'em to spread around, haven't they? It's all very representative of the type of job "security" Teamsters "enjoy", I'm sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 622901, member: 16651"] Red; No, I believe people like *YOU* will "make UPS go out of business"...or at least out of the business that employs those who are as representative of unions today as you are. Doubt that it could happen? Look at Teamster history. Hell, look at UPS history! In case you hadn't noticed, UPS has gone from almost totally "Teamster" to having less than 50% of it's employees being members of the union in the last 30 years. You see that trend being discontinued, do you? As for your comment of "UPS agreed to this language", see my prior references to so-called labor "contracts"...and consider just how much ethical credibility they have as "agreements". And consider, for a moment, just how much such "agreements" are worth when companies go out of business. Remember the weeping and gnashing of teeth the Teamsters gushed forth with when Consolidated closed down a few Labor Days back? And remember the wise-ass Teamsters who, right up to the weekend they closed the doors, were talking big about "enforcing the contract" in terms of nit-picky stuff just like you are now? How about Red Star? And how are those Stella 'd' Oro folks doing in the Bronx after their "win"? Heck, let's get closer to home...what are those 710 dudes accomplishing in the way of "saving jobs" with their YRCW recalcitrance? In other words, let's call a spade a spade here. So, in a word, "yes", I *DO* consider it "the Teamsters fault". While you may consider it the responsibility of the member to "enforce the contract", I can't help but recall that UPS employees are employed by UPS, and *NOT* the Teamsters...and that their primary responsibility is to function AS EMPLOYEES, a responsibility that you, apparently, aren't aware of. As for what is my "responsibility", I suggest that you, too, try to find a cure for that far-too-widespread Teamsters disease of "jumping to conclusions". Fuirthermore, in terms of the "perks" I enjoy that "the UPSers fought hard to get for us", I, indeed, think of them every day. But I enjoy on the basis of what *UPSers" fought for; not the EMPLOYEES of UPSers. And, in truth, I'm far MORE likely to "think" of the perks that I'm giving *YOU*, and what they're costing me. Big difference there. I understand that it's a difference you (if representative of most Teamsters) aren't quite prepared to deal with; big surprise! And I also understand that, for some reason, many like you feel it's your RIGHT to be subsidized by those of us who ARE the company. Sorry, but I don't see it that way. You want THAT type of "enjoyment", then I suggest you leave to go form your OWN company...and leave ours alone. I'm sure you'll be greatly missed! [smile] P.S. - Guess you didn't choose to back up your contentions via the path I suggested in my previous post, 'eh? Wonder why? Could it be that a million Teamster jobs pissed away by attitudes like yours make coming up with evidence a little difficult? 'Nah...of course not! [last "grin"!] P.P.S. - If the hours, conditions, etc. at UPS are bothering you, and/or you feel UPS is holding up to it's part of "the agreement", you could also just quit and have the Teamsters dig you up another Teamster-organized job. After all, they've just got tons of 'em to spread around, haven't they? It's all very representative of the type of job "security" Teamsters "enjoy", I'm sure. [/QUOTE]
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