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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 202395" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Big,</p><p>Some quarters of the environmental movement have asserted "cow gas" as a source and some vegetarians have taken up this mantra to elevate their own cause. I have nothing against vegetarians as at times I wish I had the will power to do it but I still like my T-Bone steak and ice cold brew to much at this point. Vegetables as they are grown these days aren't carbon neutral either so it's not the perfect world.</p><p> </p><p>Scratch,</p><p>Regarding your first post. I think you about got it right. Global warming as it's called is likely caused from a variety of sources. Yes, man is included but so is nature itself and that aspect is really beyond our control as Scratch pointed out.</p><p> </p><p>At the same time the bigger question we should be asking is with all these natural sources being potential or contributing causes, should we change or modify our own actions to reduce the impact that could potentially result? Good question but again the answer is not so clear and in this area is where you get the political religionists of both sides who want to command the debate to advance their own positions of power and importance. </p><p> </p><p>As for cars being a source, we do have a huge incentive to change what we are doing and a benefit to that change could be a lessening impact by mankind with his cars on the environment but the primary reason for the change would be to lessen the need for us to import foreign oil from either Middle East sources or from self grandising, ego maniacs like Chavez to our south whose only interest is his own power. For once we all have a real reason to change dramatically by what means our mode of conveyance on a daily basis is and we just get bogged down in petty arguments of a political nature and it's mostly cow <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group2/001_9898.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":poop:" title="Poop :poop:" data-shortname=":poop:" /> IMO. </p><p> </p><p>It's ironic that here's an area that if a solution or better yet solutions is found, the positives for both problems could be immense. Also, we're not the only one's paying for high oil so our solutions could spark a paradigm shift globally and with our solutions we could find ourselves having cornered a market so to speak placing ourselves really in the global driver seat not by being or being seen as a global problem creater but rather a problem solver. Which road do we take?</p><p> </p><p>BTW Scratch, can you believe this smoke from the wild fires? I hate and can't believe I'm saying this but for the fires and the rain deficit, we need a hurricane. Is there some way we could trade some of our "BONE DRY" days to Texas for some of their rain. I'm sure both sides would be extremely happy with such a business arrangement!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 202395, member: 2189"] Big, Some quarters of the environmental movement have asserted "cow gas" as a source and some vegetarians have taken up this mantra to elevate their own cause. I have nothing against vegetarians as at times I wish I had the will power to do it but I still like my T-Bone steak and ice cold brew to much at this point. Vegetables as they are grown these days aren't carbon neutral either so it's not the perfect world. Scratch, Regarding your first post. I think you about got it right. Global warming as it's called is likely caused from a variety of sources. Yes, man is included but so is nature itself and that aspect is really beyond our control as Scratch pointed out. At the same time the bigger question we should be asking is with all these natural sources being potential or contributing causes, should we change or modify our own actions to reduce the impact that could potentially result? Good question but again the answer is not so clear and in this area is where you get the political religionists of both sides who want to command the debate to advance their own positions of power and importance. As for cars being a source, we do have a huge incentive to change what we are doing and a benefit to that change could be a lessening impact by mankind with his cars on the environment but the primary reason for the change would be to lessen the need for us to import foreign oil from either Middle East sources or from self grandising, ego maniacs like Chavez to our south whose only interest is his own power. For once we all have a real reason to change dramatically by what means our mode of conveyance on a daily basis is and we just get bogged down in petty arguments of a political nature and it's mostly cow :poop: IMO. It's ironic that here's an area that if a solution or better yet solutions is found, the positives for both problems could be immense. Also, we're not the only one's paying for high oil so our solutions could spark a paradigm shift globally and with our solutions we could find ourselves having cornered a market so to speak placing ourselves really in the global driver seat not by being or being seen as a global problem creater but rather a problem solver. Which road do we take? BTW Scratch, can you believe this smoke from the wild fires? I hate and can't believe I'm saying this but for the fires and the rain deficit, we need a hurricane. Is there some way we could trade some of our "BONE DRY" days to Texas for some of their rain. I'm sure both sides would be extremely happy with such a business arrangement! :wink: [/QUOTE]
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