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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 239671" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Diesel,</p><p>As to your libertarian Joe, if it makes you feel better I'm very happy for you.</p><p></p><p>As to my position on man caused global warming? If you've even read any of my posts of this issue I think my comments speak very clearly but in case you haven't, let me be a little clearer with what I've done. In the last 5 years, we've spent in access of $25k on our home making drastic changes that effect the bottomline of our total energy usage. Every money model we used told us our investments would never pay for themselves in pure energy saving alone but we plowed ahead. We worked with not only private energy concerns but also officials from our local electrical cooperative and also the gas company in doing past and future short and longterm energy use studies of our home. We also did evaluations of our home as it relates to insulation and air leakage of the structure itself.</p><p></p><p>We did things such as taking the attic insulation level up to R-45 total. Unfinished basement walls were finished with R-19 at subterrianian level and R-25 along air exposed walls. Also concrete basement floor was subframed with 2 by material, insulated with R-6 styro-form insulation between 2x and then capped with 3/4" deck. Also all windows and doors where changed to double pane/low E/argon and this alone took an prevoous unfinished/unheated basement from a constant average temp. in winter of low 50 degrees and even upper 40's on cold days to a now constant average with no HVAC of around 64 degrees. This unfinished basement now finished has it's own seperate HVAC system from the upstairs but with area so tight, even in the most recent 100 degree plus days, the unit only comes on about 2 times in a 24 hour period and it's mostly to dehumidify the air. Same is true in winter months. We do run a much lower humidity because we own a number of guitars and other music electronics that require such conditions. This unit is total electric and small in size because the insulation investment allowed that size savings. It's also a 18 SEER unit which it a very high efficency.</p><p></p><p>The upstairs also an 18 SEER is dual fuel Electric Heat Pump/Gas and is also a Puron system which is enviro friendly. New double pane/low E/argon windows all the way around and all new doors were installed for their sealing factors. All new kitchen alliances with energy use a prime factor. Tankless hot water heater (gas) with my own special built manifold system that centralizes and then direct feeds to outlets. Remove old loop system and went direct feed in order to save again on energy and with a special solar pre-heat feature we hope to add in the future for even more energy savings. We also use dual fuel for cooking as our stove top is gas and the ovens are convection which are more energy efficent. Our total gas/electric for the most recent month with record breaking 100 degree days was $145 total and there are 2 adults and 4 kids in this house.</p><p></p><p>Another reason we did all of this was in conjunction with our local electric co-op in the hopes of adding solar photovoltaic panels in the future and they may use our home as test model to see if homes can become at least net positive energy producers during the daytime weekday hours when demands from commerical customers are high as people are at work. The national grid infrastructure is about at peak capacity and any power plant additions right now would be either gas or coal fired and not nuclear. What do gas and coal produce for emmisions? Yep, you got it.</p><p></p><p>Bottomline is, we've done what we've done not for net economic gain because over time it will not pay for itself but rather to reduce our energy use and thus reduce our production of pollutants whether greenhouse or particulant matter which itself causes something called Global Dimming. Nova on PBS just had a good program on this little known issue called Dimming the Sun. Also our hope is to go solar and even windpower at some point in the future and a lot of our work is pre-prep towards those ends. In all of this that I've done, I've not asked or demanded of gov't to do anything on my behalf or pass laws that would make it easy for me to do this or drive some economic gain. We did it as our way to make a difference where we can. Is it enough? We don't take the attitude it is but we make no judgements either way.</p><p></p><p>But since you've been so judgemental, what have you done? Whether fair or not, about all I can say is you took your money and bought a Harley and then pontifficate on here about how Bush has or hasn't done this or that and those charges may in fact be fair. And don't hand me that nonsense about Harley's fuel mileage becuase if you calculate the volumetric efficency of those big jugs compared to weight ratio of the vehicle, you're riding around on the 2 wheel equal of a 70's muscle car with a 750 Holley double pumper on a big block engine. I'm not anti-harley either as in the 1970's I rode one myself for several years. Great bike IMO.</p><p></p><p>We own a 3/4" ton SUV to haul amps/PA/drums to music gigs as it's cyclinder volumetric and towing efficency even with the large bigblock engine exceed the vans and even smaller SUV's when you use the vehicle and compare task to task. Why do you think UPS gives you those big tractors in feeder to pull trailers instead of the much less fuel burning pickup trucks? If the pick up truck was able, it would have to run at constant peak power ban and thus no efficent savings at all. Cram 5 people into a compact car and drive 100 miles at highway speed and then do the same in a full size and compare all the variables from fuel used to exhaus output and you'll find for the job the full size was the right choice. If however, 1 or 2 people then the compact wins going away. </p><p></p><p>My main car to and from work has a small 3.1 liter V-6 and I'm hoping one day to buy a hybrid. All this for money? Nope never pay for itself even with the high gas prices so what woud drive my thinking?</p><p></p><p>You wave Al Gore around like the 2nd coming of Jesus and he does deserve credit for talking about this issue as we should cut greenhouse emmissions if for no other reason than a preventitive measure like when you dress warm to keep from catching a cold. But Al also has his faults to bare and even today it seems we have new cause to shake our heads at Al again.</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /></p><p></p><p>No Diesel, I don't have to come here and pontificate of global warming and then try and justify my concerns with demands that the gov't do something. I just decided long ago to do something myself after seeing the examples set by folks like the late Dennis Weaver, Ed Begley Jr. and Darryl Hannah. We cut our home total energy consumption by 60% over the last 5 years and we plan to cut more as we incorporate LED lighting and solar outside lighting. How much reduction is that in greenhouse gases my friend? I'm not buying carbon credit offsets because I don't have too. What are you doing? Riding your Harley instead of driving your pickup truck? Why not trade in the truck or harley and get a small car like me! But I guess like Al you can buy carbon credits, make yourself feel better and then continue to yell at paint....uh pontificate the party line.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and one other thingy. In my earlier post that set you off hollering at paint on the wall again, I spoke of impevious surfaces having an effect of temp. rise (it's called thermal mass and study any big city to see the effect of temp and weather patterns) and last I looked, those type of impervious surfaces are manmade so I would think that would toss me into the bunch that thinks than man's actions are affecting global temp. rise. But unlike you who seem to suggest that it's all and only greenhouse gases, I'm not willing to throw anything and everything but greenhouse gases off the table. There are many man and natural factors involved and it's foolish to think otherwise IMHO.</p><p></p><p>BTW Diesel: I see you missed a spot of paint on the wall!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 239671, member: 2189"] Diesel, As to your libertarian Joe, if it makes you feel better I'm very happy for you. As to my position on man caused global warming? If you've even read any of my posts of this issue I think my comments speak very clearly but in case you haven't, let me be a little clearer with what I've done. In the last 5 years, we've spent in access of $25k on our home making drastic changes that effect the bottomline of our total energy usage. Every money model we used told us our investments would never pay for themselves in pure energy saving alone but we plowed ahead. We worked with not only private energy concerns but also officials from our local electrical cooperative and also the gas company in doing past and future short and longterm energy use studies of our home. We also did evaluations of our home as it relates to insulation and air leakage of the structure itself. We did things such as taking the attic insulation level up to R-45 total. Unfinished basement walls were finished with R-19 at subterrianian level and R-25 along air exposed walls. Also concrete basement floor was subframed with 2 by material, insulated with R-6 styro-form insulation between 2x and then capped with 3/4" deck. Also all windows and doors where changed to double pane/low E/argon and this alone took an prevoous unfinished/unheated basement from a constant average temp. in winter of low 50 degrees and even upper 40's on cold days to a now constant average with no HVAC of around 64 degrees. This unfinished basement now finished has it's own seperate HVAC system from the upstairs but with area so tight, even in the most recent 100 degree plus days, the unit only comes on about 2 times in a 24 hour period and it's mostly to dehumidify the air. Same is true in winter months. We do run a much lower humidity because we own a number of guitars and other music electronics that require such conditions. This unit is total electric and small in size because the insulation investment allowed that size savings. It's also a 18 SEER unit which it a very high efficency. The upstairs also an 18 SEER is dual fuel Electric Heat Pump/Gas and is also a Puron system which is enviro friendly. New double pane/low E/argon windows all the way around and all new doors were installed for their sealing factors. All new kitchen alliances with energy use a prime factor. Tankless hot water heater (gas) with my own special built manifold system that centralizes and then direct feeds to outlets. Remove old loop system and went direct feed in order to save again on energy and with a special solar pre-heat feature we hope to add in the future for even more energy savings. We also use dual fuel for cooking as our stove top is gas and the ovens are convection which are more energy efficent. Our total gas/electric for the most recent month with record breaking 100 degree days was $145 total and there are 2 adults and 4 kids in this house. Another reason we did all of this was in conjunction with our local electric co-op in the hopes of adding solar photovoltaic panels in the future and they may use our home as test model to see if homes can become at least net positive energy producers during the daytime weekday hours when demands from commerical customers are high as people are at work. The national grid infrastructure is about at peak capacity and any power plant additions right now would be either gas or coal fired and not nuclear. What do gas and coal produce for emmisions? Yep, you got it. Bottomline is, we've done what we've done not for net economic gain because over time it will not pay for itself but rather to reduce our energy use and thus reduce our production of pollutants whether greenhouse or particulant matter which itself causes something called Global Dimming. Nova on PBS just had a good program on this little known issue called Dimming the Sun. Also our hope is to go solar and even windpower at some point in the future and a lot of our work is pre-prep towards those ends. In all of this that I've done, I've not asked or demanded of gov't to do anything on my behalf or pass laws that would make it easy for me to do this or drive some economic gain. We did it as our way to make a difference where we can. Is it enough? We don't take the attitude it is but we make no judgements either way. But since you've been so judgemental, what have you done? Whether fair or not, about all I can say is you took your money and bought a Harley and then pontifficate on here about how Bush has or hasn't done this or that and those charges may in fact be fair. And don't hand me that nonsense about Harley's fuel mileage becuase if you calculate the volumetric efficency of those big jugs compared to weight ratio of the vehicle, you're riding around on the 2 wheel equal of a 70's muscle car with a 750 Holley double pumper on a big block engine. I'm not anti-harley either as in the 1970's I rode one myself for several years. Great bike IMO. We own a 3/4" ton SUV to haul amps/PA/drums to music gigs as it's cyclinder volumetric and towing efficency even with the large bigblock engine exceed the vans and even smaller SUV's when you use the vehicle and compare task to task. Why do you think UPS gives you those big tractors in feeder to pull trailers instead of the much less fuel burning pickup trucks? If the pick up truck was able, it would have to run at constant peak power ban and thus no efficent savings at all. Cram 5 people into a compact car and drive 100 miles at highway speed and then do the same in a full size and compare all the variables from fuel used to exhaus output and you'll find for the job the full size was the right choice. If however, 1 or 2 people then the compact wins going away. My main car to and from work has a small 3.1 liter V-6 and I'm hoping one day to buy a hybrid. All this for money? Nope never pay for itself even with the high gas prices so what woud drive my thinking? You wave Al Gore around like the 2nd coming of Jesus and he does deserve credit for talking about this issue as we should cut greenhouse emmissions if for no other reason than a preventitive measure like when you dress warm to keep from catching a cold. But Al also has his faults to bare and even today it seems we have new cause to shake our heads at Al again. :thumbup1: No Diesel, I don't have to come here and pontificate of global warming and then try and justify my concerns with demands that the gov't do something. I just decided long ago to do something myself after seeing the examples set by folks like the late Dennis Weaver, Ed Begley Jr. and Darryl Hannah. We cut our home total energy consumption by 60% over the last 5 years and we plan to cut more as we incorporate LED lighting and solar outside lighting. How much reduction is that in greenhouse gases my friend? I'm not buying carbon credit offsets because I don't have too. What are you doing? Riding your Harley instead of driving your pickup truck? Why not trade in the truck or harley and get a small car like me! But I guess like Al you can buy carbon credits, make yourself feel better and then continue to yell at paint....uh pontificate the party line. Oh, and one other thingy. In my earlier post that set you off hollering at paint on the wall again, I spoke of impevious surfaces having an effect of temp. rise (it's called thermal mass and study any big city to see the effect of temp and weather patterns) and last I looked, those type of impervious surfaces are manmade so I would think that would toss me into the bunch that thinks than man's actions are affecting global temp. rise. But unlike you who seem to suggest that it's all and only greenhouse gases, I'm not willing to throw anything and everything but greenhouse gases off the table. There are many man and natural factors involved and it's foolish to think otherwise IMHO. BTW Diesel: I see you missed a spot of paint on the wall! [/QUOTE]
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