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<blockquote data-quote="klein" data-source="post: 703283" data-attributes="member: 23950"><p>Well, living and working in Germany for 14 years, until I was 27 years old, comming back to Canada was a bit of a cold bath shock.</p><p>I wasn't used to all this senority stuff, laid out my the unions, on how wages and vacations are given.</p><p> </p><p>In Germany basically every job is unionized, but they don't have the North American structure to them.</p><p>Vacation goes by age, not how long you been with the company. And wages are basically the same, as if I just started there, or someone there for 5 years.</p><p>But, most companies in Germany, pay over union wages. As a bonus. You can only get them, by being there a while.</p><p>And any screw-ups, the company can revoke all or part of thier volunteer bonuses to an individual.</p><p> </p><p>So, I find people are kind of job-locked here. They rather stay then lose seniority and vacation, and in most cases some bennies.</p><p>Dentist bills and Prescription drugs are also mostly all paid for in Europe, by the government (not in Canada).</p><p> </p><p>But, I think you get socialisum mixed up with communisum.</p><p>You could live in a dictatorship, like Nazi Germany, that probably had more social welfare, then Canada has today.</p><p>I actually vote conservative, and we have a conservative government here, while the US has currently a liberal government.</p><p> </p><p>Social is exactly what it stands for : Social programs, like welfare, your social food stamps, education for everyone - thats social. So is protection for everyone.</p><p>Basically for the health and welfare of every citizen.</p><p> </p><p>You have a few African ,(and even asian), Nations for example, that basically rob the poor, for thier leaders (and friends, family, and closest followers),to live like King and Queens.</p><p>Thats anti-social.</p><p> </p><p>Then you have countries, such like the Scandanavian ones.... where they tax a lot, esspecially the rich, to spend it, so almost everyone can live a really good life (free Daycare, medical, generous welfare program, etc). Everyone has appropiate shelter, and always food and clothing. They even subsidize the utilty bills for low income people.</p><p> </p><p>Actually, the only difference I found between the US and Canada, is yes, we pay higher taxes (not income taxes), but taxes on beer, cigs, even gas.</p><p>But, it's the healthcare, and we get more for unemployment (still not enough to live on), but double then the US. (but we probably pay more into it, too).</p><p> </p><p>As far as free market goes... it's here just like in the US. We have all that oil in Alberta, yet we have to pay the market price, like everyone else.</p><p>Our dollar is also traded on the free market (not like the Chinese Yuan)...by the government.</p><p> </p><p>As far as me being social, yes I am a bit, but would not vote Liberal, to make it even more social.</p><p>I would sure hate to see people starving or ghettos being constructed, while the rich get richer, though.</p><p>Good riddens we don't have slums or ghettos here. I would not be proud of this country if we did.</p><p>So, being a little social to avoid that from happening... yes, that I am.</p><p> </p><p>And that goes for healthcare, too. I could not imagine seeing friends or relatives going broke or bk, because of medical bills.. or familes being uninsured, because the man has been laid off.</p><p>Even saving up for early retirement makes it much more difficult, if you need to extra save for health insurance.</p><p> </p><p>Thats enough. Now you know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klein, post: 703283, member: 23950"] Well, living and working in Germany for 14 years, until I was 27 years old, comming back to Canada was a bit of a cold bath shock. I wasn't used to all this senority stuff, laid out my the unions, on how wages and vacations are given. In Germany basically every job is unionized, but they don't have the North American structure to them. Vacation goes by age, not how long you been with the company. And wages are basically the same, as if I just started there, or someone there for 5 years. But, most companies in Germany, pay over union wages. As a bonus. You can only get them, by being there a while. And any screw-ups, the company can revoke all or part of thier volunteer bonuses to an individual. So, I find people are kind of job-locked here. They rather stay then lose seniority and vacation, and in most cases some bennies. Dentist bills and Prescription drugs are also mostly all paid for in Europe, by the government (not in Canada). But, I think you get socialisum mixed up with communisum. You could live in a dictatorship, like Nazi Germany, that probably had more social welfare, then Canada has today. I actually vote conservative, and we have a conservative government here, while the US has currently a liberal government. Social is exactly what it stands for : Social programs, like welfare, your social food stamps, education for everyone - thats social. So is protection for everyone. Basically for the health and welfare of every citizen. You have a few African ,(and even asian), Nations for example, that basically rob the poor, for thier leaders (and friends, family, and closest followers),to live like King and Queens. Thats anti-social. Then you have countries, such like the Scandanavian ones.... where they tax a lot, esspecially the rich, to spend it, so almost everyone can live a really good life (free Daycare, medical, generous welfare program, etc). Everyone has appropiate shelter, and always food and clothing. They even subsidize the utilty bills for low income people. Actually, the only difference I found between the US and Canada, is yes, we pay higher taxes (not income taxes), but taxes on beer, cigs, even gas. But, it's the healthcare, and we get more for unemployment (still not enough to live on), but double then the US. (but we probably pay more into it, too). As far as free market goes... it's here just like in the US. We have all that oil in Alberta, yet we have to pay the market price, like everyone else. Our dollar is also traded on the free market (not like the Chinese Yuan)...by the government. As far as me being social, yes I am a bit, but would not vote Liberal, to make it even more social. I would sure hate to see people starving or ghettos being constructed, while the rich get richer, though. Good riddens we don't have slums or ghettos here. I would not be proud of this country if we did. So, being a little social to avoid that from happening... yes, that I am. And that goes for healthcare, too. I could not imagine seeing friends or relatives going broke or bk, because of medical bills.. or familes being uninsured, because the man has been laid off. Even saving up for early retirement makes it much more difficult, if you need to extra save for health insurance. Thats enough. Now you know. [/QUOTE]
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