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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 293931" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Well, as for corp. not paying enough money as in taxes, you'll never hear me say that as I'm one of those folks who believe the income tax at any level is wrong and should have never been in the first place. Also and I know people will argue all day but all taxes at whatever level are considered a cost of doing business and therefore that cost is in some shape or form buried into the cost of any goods or service. </p><p> </p><p>As for paying these contractors for services, nothing wrong with that either but where I have a problem is charging way over just because you can. Ultimately because I am taxed at the federal level, I'm the one having to pay this bill and the way our current gov't is going about this war, my children, grandchildren and maybe even great-grandchildren will have to pay for this war so yeah, when a company is geting $100 a pop for washing a soldiers uniform my ears go up on the question of fair value. My UPS uniforms (don't read this EZ as I've want to maintain an illusion with you<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2 :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" />) cost UPS on rental and cleaning about $12 a week. Instead of having KBR or Haliburton do the job why not let Cintas? I mean for $12 a week I not only get all the uniforms washed but they throw in the 5 sets of uniforms a week to boot! You say you are a free market type so let's have some free market here!</p><p> </p><p>Also when a soldier himself complains of this as outrageous and then he decides on his own to help save public money and instead handwash his own uniform but is told it's a violation and he must use the contractor, yeah I'm a bit miffed and concerned.</p><p> </p><p>President Eisenhower in the closing days of his Presidency warned of the potential perils of what he called the "Military Industrial complex" and having looked back at the pages of history I think Ole' Ike knew exactly what he was talking about. I'll all for vastly limited federal gov't and I'd venture to say a whole lot more than some of you chestbeating conservatives would venture to even think about and let the market itself fill a whole lot of the void but at the same time we know have a gov't run as a perferred monopoly of positioned companies and they view the American taxpayer as a conscripted (read enslaved) customer on whom they can pillage. That my friend is not in any way shape or form true laissez-faire or what we also call a free market. </p><p> </p><p>At best this corporatism has more roots in the Mussolini governmental model or you could harken it more to mercantilism of the 16th to 18th century Europe that led to the European Empirialism of those times and the many wars from it even into the first half of the 20th century. This mercantilism led such economic notables as Adam Smith and other classical economists to change economic thinking that resulted in the grand experiment known as the United States and free market capitalism. Now we have those of our day who paint themselves as "originalists" or "Constitutional Conservatives" who in fact are nothing of the sort but rather pure empirical tories. IMHO you guys had you lived 200 plus years ago would have sided with the monarch in England as the very system you want and support today is very much the same system of the King in those days. As my forefathers who fought "your" forefathers back in the day called you "lobsterbacks" referring to supporters of the redcoats, so hence forth I shall call you. You like labels of communist, liberal, socialist, etc. so I'll play the game.........</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Lobsterback!</span></p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 293931, member: 2189"] Well, as for corp. not paying enough money as in taxes, you'll never hear me say that as I'm one of those folks who believe the income tax at any level is wrong and should have never been in the first place. Also and I know people will argue all day but all taxes at whatever level are considered a cost of doing business and therefore that cost is in some shape or form buried into the cost of any goods or service. As for paying these contractors for services, nothing wrong with that either but where I have a problem is charging way over just because you can. Ultimately because I am taxed at the federal level, I'm the one having to pay this bill and the way our current gov't is going about this war, my children, grandchildren and maybe even great-grandchildren will have to pay for this war so yeah, when a company is geting $100 a pop for washing a soldiers uniform my ears go up on the question of fair value. My UPS uniforms (don't read this EZ as I've want to maintain an illusion with you:happy2:) cost UPS on rental and cleaning about $12 a week. Instead of having KBR or Haliburton do the job why not let Cintas? I mean for $12 a week I not only get all the uniforms washed but they throw in the 5 sets of uniforms a week to boot! You say you are a free market type so let's have some free market here! Also when a soldier himself complains of this as outrageous and then he decides on his own to help save public money and instead handwash his own uniform but is told it's a violation and he must use the contractor, yeah I'm a bit miffed and concerned. President Eisenhower in the closing days of his Presidency warned of the potential perils of what he called the "Military Industrial complex" and having looked back at the pages of history I think Ole' Ike knew exactly what he was talking about. I'll all for vastly limited federal gov't and I'd venture to say a whole lot more than some of you chestbeating conservatives would venture to even think about and let the market itself fill a whole lot of the void but at the same time we know have a gov't run as a perferred monopoly of positioned companies and they view the American taxpayer as a conscripted (read enslaved) customer on whom they can pillage. That my friend is not in any way shape or form true laissez-faire or what we also call a free market. At best this corporatism has more roots in the Mussolini governmental model or you could harken it more to mercantilism of the 16th to 18th century Europe that led to the European Empirialism of those times and the many wars from it even into the first half of the 20th century. This mercantilism led such economic notables as Adam Smith and other classical economists to change economic thinking that resulted in the grand experiment known as the United States and free market capitalism. Now we have those of our day who paint themselves as "originalists" or "Constitutional Conservatives" who in fact are nothing of the sort but rather pure empirical tories. IMHO you guys had you lived 200 plus years ago would have sided with the monarch in England as the very system you want and support today is very much the same system of the King in those days. As my forefathers who fought "your" forefathers back in the day called you "lobsterbacks" referring to supporters of the redcoats, so hence forth I shall call you. You like labels of communist, liberal, socialist, etc. so I'll play the game......... [SIZE=5]Lobsterback![/SIZE] :happy-very: [/QUOTE]
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