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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 293991" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><span style="font-size: 18px">WHAT! </span><span style="font-size: 10px">But you told us all of that had been taken care of. The media was hiding all the good things going on over there you have been saying. You mean in 5 years we still are unable to have power and water? No wonder those people are revolting in the streets and it took them a couple of years to do so? I'm impressed. I'll bet we wouldn't last a week before we went off the civil unrest deepend over here!</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well had we taken a different approach and maintained as much of the old civil gov't structure in place to keep better order instead of our guys playing policeman and not have knocked down power and water, do you think we might have instead of taken US civilian contract personal over, we might have gotten the locals to do these task at less costs and also infused money into their economy putting people back to work and getting some order of civil society back up and running. I mean what better way to promote free enterprise and open democracy with the passing of the all mighty dollar instead of the almighty .223 or .308! </p><p> </p><p>Oh, shame on me, I forgot these are ignorant towels heads steeped in radical religious beliefs and are all card carrying members of Al Queda. Didn't someone of position in the gov't finally give an actual number of how many there were. Had to be in the millions I'm sure!</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well according to one soldier that was the case. Maybe a different location than you were. Looking at the financials of these companies somebody was doing something and it's the American taxpayer being the one washed. Also when you consider the amount of debt ceiling increases by the Fed. gov't since Iraq there sure is something amiss.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I got one and well under $200k. Cost to ship overseas? You can get a sea going container for example to Africa for $1800 and you can load a SUV and a lot more in it. I know this because a former UPS manager was doing just that and shipping a lot more to West Africa to set himself up and now has left to live in Africa. He even bought a water purification system capable of 20k gallons a day (one business he established over there)and shipped it over to Africa and the total bill was $27k. </p><p> </p><p>But it's Iraq you say. True enough so ship it into Kuwait and then drive it into Iraq. Gov't Contractors get special treatment concerning tariffs and taxes in a war zone so this ain't a problem. No roads in Iraq to drive on you say? 5 years after occupation this is still the case? Even with Haliburton and KBR on the job? I thought this had been handled. I thought the surge took care of the violence on the roads. The news I see daily sounds pretty good to me about what is happening over there and some good progress has taken place. Are you saying now we don't have the truth? Patreus has been lying? Bush lying too? WOW! I would have never guessed this.</p><p> </p><p>As for the electronics. OK, some vehicles I could see that but what need for a contractor adminstrative clerk to have an SUV with that level of electronics? You are talking military type electronics aren't you? If you're talkin' stereo, DVD, etc. Dude, we gotta talk as I can hook you up for a lot better than that and I'm talkin' ground pounding sound too!</p><p> </p><p>Look AV8, I 'm not trying to diminish your service to our country, you are a true American hero regardless the public policy of Washington DC. Although I object to the policy and how we arrived at it and yes I do believe history will prove Iraq was as much if not more so as ill advised as Vietnam, at the same time I don't like various corporations coming in under the pretense that they can stiff the American taxpayer at any cost under an illusion of this is the way it is and we are your only option. Makes even worse when you realize the level of connection to gov't officials these companies have. Could you imagine the hue and cry at UPS if it was learned that some UPS manager had an inside position with someone at a vendor UPS does business with. We scream when we hear this in private business so why if gov't business any different?</p><p> </p><p>I'm sorry but before I'm gonna believe it costs $100 to wash a load of clothes, you are gonna have to prove that one to me by giving me a breakdown cost analysis. Until then, sorry pal but D, Ez and the rest who decry free markets as a den of thieves because of your vaulted system (and I can understand their doing so) and the illusion you paint of that being laissez-faire, free markets when in fact they are no such thing and are in reality closed loop monopolies of the selected privildged based on poltical connections, what were once called titles of nobility that were outlawed by our constitution. IMO they don't understand completely true free markets and there are areas I'm a bit fuzzy on but they do see fraud and waste under the guise of such and therefore like any thinking person just come away with the most obvious conclusion and that is free markets bring forth fraud and evil. </p><p> </p><p>Gather you friends of Brett, Big and whoever and call me whatever you want as I'm sure you will but the first principle of American free market economics 101 is fiscal responsibilty with the peoples money and absolute transparency of which neither party is giving IMO to be honest. If the so-called libs have no right to waste my tax dollars on their giveaway programs froth with waste and fraud, then neither do you!</p><p> </p><p>JMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 293991, member: 2189"] [SIZE=5]WHAT! [/SIZE][SIZE=2]But you told us all of that had been taken care of. The media was hiding all the good things going on over there you have been saying. You mean in 5 years we still are unable to have power and water? No wonder those people are revolting in the streets and it took them a couple of years to do so? I'm impressed. I'll bet we wouldn't last a week before we went off the civil unrest deepend over here![/SIZE] Well had we taken a different approach and maintained as much of the old civil gov't structure in place to keep better order instead of our guys playing policeman and not have knocked down power and water, do you think we might have instead of taken US civilian contract personal over, we might have gotten the locals to do these task at less costs and also infused money into their economy putting people back to work and getting some order of civil society back up and running. I mean what better way to promote free enterprise and open democracy with the passing of the all mighty dollar instead of the almighty .223 or .308! Oh, shame on me, I forgot these are ignorant towels heads steeped in radical religious beliefs and are all card carrying members of Al Queda. Didn't someone of position in the gov't finally give an actual number of how many there were. Had to be in the millions I'm sure! Well according to one soldier that was the case. Maybe a different location than you were. Looking at the financials of these companies somebody was doing something and it's the American taxpayer being the one washed. Also when you consider the amount of debt ceiling increases by the Fed. gov't since Iraq there sure is something amiss. I got one and well under $200k. Cost to ship overseas? You can get a sea going container for example to Africa for $1800 and you can load a SUV and a lot more in it. I know this because a former UPS manager was doing just that and shipping a lot more to West Africa to set himself up and now has left to live in Africa. He even bought a water purification system capable of 20k gallons a day (one business he established over there)and shipped it over to Africa and the total bill was $27k. But it's Iraq you say. True enough so ship it into Kuwait and then drive it into Iraq. Gov't Contractors get special treatment concerning tariffs and taxes in a war zone so this ain't a problem. No roads in Iraq to drive on you say? 5 years after occupation this is still the case? Even with Haliburton and KBR on the job? I thought this had been handled. I thought the surge took care of the violence on the roads. The news I see daily sounds pretty good to me about what is happening over there and some good progress has taken place. Are you saying now we don't have the truth? Patreus has been lying? Bush lying too? WOW! I would have never guessed this. As for the electronics. OK, some vehicles I could see that but what need for a contractor adminstrative clerk to have an SUV with that level of electronics? You are talking military type electronics aren't you? If you're talkin' stereo, DVD, etc. Dude, we gotta talk as I can hook you up for a lot better than that and I'm talkin' ground pounding sound too! Look AV8, I 'm not trying to diminish your service to our country, you are a true American hero regardless the public policy of Washington DC. Although I object to the policy and how we arrived at it and yes I do believe history will prove Iraq was as much if not more so as ill advised as Vietnam, at the same time I don't like various corporations coming in under the pretense that they can stiff the American taxpayer at any cost under an illusion of this is the way it is and we are your only option. Makes even worse when you realize the level of connection to gov't officials these companies have. Could you imagine the hue and cry at UPS if it was learned that some UPS manager had an inside position with someone at a vendor UPS does business with. We scream when we hear this in private business so why if gov't business any different? I'm sorry but before I'm gonna believe it costs $100 to wash a load of clothes, you are gonna have to prove that one to me by giving me a breakdown cost analysis. Until then, sorry pal but D, Ez and the rest who decry free markets as a den of thieves because of your vaulted system (and I can understand their doing so) and the illusion you paint of that being laissez-faire, free markets when in fact they are no such thing and are in reality closed loop monopolies of the selected privildged based on poltical connections, what were once called titles of nobility that were outlawed by our constitution. IMO they don't understand completely true free markets and there are areas I'm a bit fuzzy on but they do see fraud and waste under the guise of such and therefore like any thinking person just come away with the most obvious conclusion and that is free markets bring forth fraud and evil. Gather you friends of Brett, Big and whoever and call me whatever you want as I'm sure you will but the first principle of American free market economics 101 is fiscal responsibilty with the peoples money and absolute transparency of which neither party is giving IMO to be honest. If the so-called libs have no right to waste my tax dollars on their giveaway programs froth with waste and fraud, then neither do you! JMHO. [/QUOTE]
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