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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 299035" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Hey anything to poke you with a stick to the point you list some specifics for a change and be up front where you are coming from. IMO, you never were that open to specific ideas in other threads so I was glad to hear some of the things you had to say and that we do share some common ground related to limiting gov't. I'm not sure we share the same ideals on the part of gov't to be fiscally responsible and I take that position from you comments in post #8 where you said the:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Put another way IMO, "the ends justify the means!" I don't subscribe to that thinking. And when it comes to fiscal matters, I don't subscribe to blank check throwing the money around no matter what the cause or the end gains are. That was the point of this thread in the first place. Sure it got far afield but if you look across the entire BC forum, the vast majority of threads tend to do this after about a page anyway so this one is just following the pattern.</p><p> </p><p>Back to the main point and to tie this whole thing up from my POV, Traditional Conservative principles have at their forefront fiscal responsibility first and foremost and throwing money at welfare bums or Corp. welfare bums is equal in my eyes. If you want to further Privatization if you will, the first rule would be to set a good example and be above board on every little detail and be cost effective down to the penny. Today's so-called conservatives parade the Constitution around as some Holy Grail but my point was, do you even follow it to begin with? Do you advocate it's core principles of government or do you opt out with the so-called political left with the, "well we live in a different world today and those men could not foresee what we are dealing with. Really? I'll discuss that one with you anytime but be ready to dig deep into our history and policy the last 100 plus years.</p><p> </p><p>In the case of Iraq (occupation for democratization) all I hear is a huge sucking sound! If this is the best privatizing can do, then build up our level of armed forces (contary to the authority in US Constitution Art. 1 Sec. 8) and keep those processes gov't. If the privatized way is frought with waste and fraud in Iraq, how can those scared of privatizing SS be assured their retirement is safe from the same abuses? See where that goes in the minds of people? If you can't do it right there with so much on the line, how can you do it here?</p><p> </p><p>At least to them there seems more oversight and you won't have secretaries driving around in <strong>"LUXURY"</strong> <span style="font-size: 9px">not armoured/high tech</span>, SUV's as a perk rather than a legit need. Besides, what would that $200k have bought our men and women who were living/working out in the field rather than living/working in a private compound. I was shocked of all people that you were never able to grasp that point especially in light of you being a conservative. </p><p> </p><p>Being conservative IMO is way more than talking tough about we can whip anyone's arse, cutting gov't to our delight and seeing the welfare bums out on the street and not sucking us dry of tax dollars. If it was just that easy. </p><p> </p><p>Was there a lot to read in my posts?</p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/bloodshot.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bloodshot:" title="Bloodshot :bloodshot:" data-shortname=":bloodshot:" /> </span><span style="font-size: 10px">LOL! Sure there was but life is not easy and solutions to problems aren't either! </span></p><p> </p><p>Solutions will never come via a 30 second sound bite. They want to believe that because they want you to leave them to the details because if we knew how those details and who benefitted from those details, I feel very confident that in the blink of an eye, even you and ole' D would have all kinds of common ground. And yes I do believe that. </p><p> </p><p>I use to have your loyality towards many aspects of the gov't but I made a very fatal mistake. I began to read and the worse part with my wife being in the legal profession, I learned to use a law library and began to read gov't records. Like Neo in the matrix, I should have taken the other pill!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 299035, member: 2189"] Hey anything to poke you with a stick to the point you list some specifics for a change and be up front where you are coming from. IMO, you never were that open to specific ideas in other threads so I was glad to hear some of the things you had to say and that we do share some common ground related to limiting gov't. I'm not sure we share the same ideals on the part of gov't to be fiscally responsible and I take that position from you comments in post #8 where you said the: Put another way IMO, "the ends justify the means!" I don't subscribe to that thinking. And when it comes to fiscal matters, I don't subscribe to blank check throwing the money around no matter what the cause or the end gains are. That was the point of this thread in the first place. Sure it got far afield but if you look across the entire BC forum, the vast majority of threads tend to do this after about a page anyway so this one is just following the pattern. Back to the main point and to tie this whole thing up from my POV, Traditional Conservative principles have at their forefront fiscal responsibility first and foremost and throwing money at welfare bums or Corp. welfare bums is equal in my eyes. If you want to further Privatization if you will, the first rule would be to set a good example and be above board on every little detail and be cost effective down to the penny. Today's so-called conservatives parade the Constitution around as some Holy Grail but my point was, do you even follow it to begin with? Do you advocate it's core principles of government or do you opt out with the so-called political left with the, "well we live in a different world today and those men could not foresee what we are dealing with. Really? I'll discuss that one with you anytime but be ready to dig deep into our history and policy the last 100 plus years. In the case of Iraq (occupation for democratization) all I hear is a huge sucking sound! If this is the best privatizing can do, then build up our level of armed forces (contary to the authority in US Constitution Art. 1 Sec. 8) and keep those processes gov't. If the privatized way is frought with waste and fraud in Iraq, how can those scared of privatizing SS be assured their retirement is safe from the same abuses? See where that goes in the minds of people? If you can't do it right there with so much on the line, how can you do it here? At least to them there seems more oversight and you won't have secretaries driving around in [B]"LUXURY"[/B] [SIZE=1]not armoured/high tech[/SIZE], SUV's as a perk rather than a legit need. Besides, what would that $200k have bought our men and women who were living/working out in the field rather than living/working in a private compound. I was shocked of all people that you were never able to grasp that point especially in light of you being a conservative. Being conservative IMO is way more than talking tough about we can whip anyone's arse, cutting gov't to our delight and seeing the welfare bums out on the street and not sucking us dry of tax dollars. If it was just that easy. Was there a lot to read in my posts? [SIZE=3]:bloodshot: [/SIZE][SIZE=2]LOL! Sure there was but life is not easy and solutions to problems aren't either! [/SIZE] Solutions will never come via a 30 second sound bite. They want to believe that because they want you to leave them to the details because if we knew how those details and who benefitted from those details, I feel very confident that in the blink of an eye, even you and ole' D would have all kinds of common ground. And yes I do believe that. I use to have your loyality towards many aspects of the gov't but I made a very fatal mistake. I began to read and the worse part with my wife being in the legal profession, I learned to use a law library and began to read gov't records. Like Neo in the matrix, I should have taken the other pill! :rofl: [/QUOTE]
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