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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 299502" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>AV,</p><p></p><p>I tell you what. Watch the entire movie which I think at Utube is broken into 10 sections. Towards the last 30 minutes, they speak to a former KBR procurement officer and other employees of Haliburton and KBR and they cover the whole SUV deal. Now if you can show me the good in a cost/plus contract where paying $200k plus for a lease for a secretary to drive who basically never leaves the compound and how taking that $200k plus away from our armed service guys which could either put more troops in the field as some have cried for or give them better armorment, etc. I'll gladly stop talking fiscal control in any way shape or form with you.</p><p></p><p>Also I find it almost shocking where in an earlier thread here you posted concerns where our gov't may have exposed our guys to some bad <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" /> <a href="http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/what-is-your-opinion-on-this-article.122378/" target="_blank">http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/what-is-your-opinion-on-this-article.122378/</a> and the fact that they may be hiding something (see post #5 at link above as it came across that way) or at least considering that potential all the while defending Halliburton, KBR, etc. in every step (or it appears that way to me) when also in the same video a Halliburton water specialist who also testified before Congress documented contaminated water with potential pathogens was given to our troops. I'm as free market as they come even to the point of removing the gov't from printing money for private business transactions between individuals (let the private sector among themselves develop their own medium of exchange, I told you I was radical)but don't let the defending of what you percieve as free market capitalism come to mean you'll defend any private abuse in order to stand against the public domain of gov't and it's many abuses.</p><p></p><p>Abuse and fraud is wrong whether private or public. It becomes an overwhelming task to open minds to a free market when manipulators in free market clothing cloud the issue. I can only then point out the abuse and hope eyes and minds can discern the difference. The current conservative stain uh I mean strain are not free marketeers in any sense but rather merchantilist in the European traditions that was the economic heart and soul of the old world empires. That's how we got where we are.</p><p>And trust me AV, that wasn't for you as you were my springboard again.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p>I can understand defending the likes of Blackwater and CACI on your part in regards to frontline actions and dealing with enemy combatants but I'm left almost speechless when you defend some of the same companies when it comes to what they may be doing with/for our troops on their behalf.</p><p></p><p>Also running empty rigs up and down the road just to backcharge us, the US taxpayer is also wrong (see the video) and to defend that kind of action while wrapped in the flag is IMHO as unpatriotic as it gets! Yep, you read it right and I said it! You're not spitting on the flag, you're spitting on the taxpayer and the children and grandchildren of those taxpayers because of the debt will be years and years paying it all off as you defend these contractors under any and all pretense.</p><p></p><p>And the sad irony is at some point, someone (republican or democrat) will have to raise taxes to pay for all of this stuff so tell me how are you any better than say D or EZ who wants to pick my pocket and the pocket of my kids and grandkids for their do-gooder programs. How is building up Iraq and the people there with a new country any less a welfare boondoggle than the domestic kind championed by Hillary, Obama or Edwards. Welfare is still welfare no matter who the person is recieving the check!</p><p></p><p>Limited gov't doesn't just apply on the domestic side and it's not limited to only one specific area. Limited gov't applies across the board and with that is a responsibity with the people's money to be good stewards. You should solve problems once and for all, not grow them into an industry and bureacracy so private corporations can lobby to be the chief leech.</p><p></p><p>It's simple to go through the ABC agencies of gov't and find where corp. America like a leech has positioned itself to bloodsuck the taxpayer dry and the military is in no way shape or form exempt from this. When it comes to our soldiers in the field or at home, they should get the best and I bet I'm not alone in that thinking here but as I said, you'll have a hard time convincing me how the need of a gov't contractor's secretary to have an SUV over rides the need of wounded heros who lay in Walter Reed hospital. Remember that deal?</p><p></p><p>I know we are there, whether at the end of the day it was right or not and I also understand why some say we should stay the course whether I agree or not or for the reasons. If we are gonna stay then do this thing right, make the dollars spent count all the way to the last cent just as you'd expect the last bullet to always count. Rule one on the battlefield, don't waste ammo. Rule one in warfare, don't waste money as that money later may come down to the difference of victory or defeat. The means of a nation to wage war in it's defense is first it's ability to pay for it!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 299502, member: 2189"] AV, I tell you what. Watch the entire movie which I think at Utube is broken into 10 sections. Towards the last 30 minutes, they speak to a former KBR procurement officer and other employees of Haliburton and KBR and they cover the whole SUV deal. Now if you can show me the good in a cost/plus contract where paying $200k plus for a lease for a secretary to drive who basically never leaves the compound and how taking that $200k plus away from our armed service guys which could either put more troops in the field as some have cried for or give them better armorment, etc. I'll gladly stop talking fiscal control in any way shape or form with you. Also I find it almost shocking where in an earlier thread here you posted concerns where our gov't may have exposed our guys to some bad :censored: [url]http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/what-is-your-opinion-on-this-article.122378/[/url] and the fact that they may be hiding something (see post #5 at link above as it came across that way) or at least considering that potential all the while defending Halliburton, KBR, etc. in every step (or it appears that way to me) when also in the same video a Halliburton water specialist who also testified before Congress documented contaminated water with potential pathogens was given to our troops. I'm as free market as they come even to the point of removing the gov't from printing money for private business transactions between individuals (let the private sector among themselves develop their own medium of exchange, I told you I was radical)but don't let the defending of what you percieve as free market capitalism come to mean you'll defend any private abuse in order to stand against the public domain of gov't and it's many abuses. Abuse and fraud is wrong whether private or public. It becomes an overwhelming task to open minds to a free market when manipulators in free market clothing cloud the issue. I can only then point out the abuse and hope eyes and minds can discern the difference. The current conservative stain uh I mean strain are not free marketeers in any sense but rather merchantilist in the European traditions that was the economic heart and soul of the old world empires. That's how we got where we are. And trust me AV, that wasn't for you as you were my springboard again. :wink2: I can understand defending the likes of Blackwater and CACI on your part in regards to frontline actions and dealing with enemy combatants but I'm left almost speechless when you defend some of the same companies when it comes to what they may be doing with/for our troops on their behalf. Also running empty rigs up and down the road just to backcharge us, the US taxpayer is also wrong (see the video) and to defend that kind of action while wrapped in the flag is IMHO as unpatriotic as it gets! Yep, you read it right and I said it! You're not spitting on the flag, you're spitting on the taxpayer and the children and grandchildren of those taxpayers because of the debt will be years and years paying it all off as you defend these contractors under any and all pretense. And the sad irony is at some point, someone (republican or democrat) will have to raise taxes to pay for all of this stuff so tell me how are you any better than say D or EZ who wants to pick my pocket and the pocket of my kids and grandkids for their do-gooder programs. How is building up Iraq and the people there with a new country any less a welfare boondoggle than the domestic kind championed by Hillary, Obama or Edwards. Welfare is still welfare no matter who the person is recieving the check! Limited gov't doesn't just apply on the domestic side and it's not limited to only one specific area. Limited gov't applies across the board and with that is a responsibity with the people's money to be good stewards. You should solve problems once and for all, not grow them into an industry and bureacracy so private corporations can lobby to be the chief leech. It's simple to go through the ABC agencies of gov't and find where corp. America like a leech has positioned itself to bloodsuck the taxpayer dry and the military is in no way shape or form exempt from this. When it comes to our soldiers in the field or at home, they should get the best and I bet I'm not alone in that thinking here but as I said, you'll have a hard time convincing me how the need of a gov't contractor's secretary to have an SUV over rides the need of wounded heros who lay in Walter Reed hospital. Remember that deal? I know we are there, whether at the end of the day it was right or not and I also understand why some say we should stay the course whether I agree or not or for the reasons. If we are gonna stay then do this thing right, make the dollars spent count all the way to the last cent just as you'd expect the last bullet to always count. Rule one on the battlefield, don't waste ammo. Rule one in warfare, don't waste money as that money later may come down to the difference of victory or defeat. The means of a nation to wage war in it's defense is first it's ability to pay for it! [/QUOTE]
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