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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 299510" data-attributes="member: 2189">Anyone who looks at the historical record the last 30 years will clearly see that is the case.&nbsp; It is factual to say that many democrat so-called anti-gunners are vocal but I at least respect the fact that they say upfront what they will do and they don&#039;t mince words.&nbsp; You know where Chuckie Schumer stands.&nbsp; But many republicans however wrap themselves in covers of Guns and Ammo in public and then in private do in many ways opposite.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;I should know I get a nice check every week from em&#039;!&nbsp;<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/money.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":money:" title="Money&nbsp; &nbsp; :money:" data-shortname=":money:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/rofl.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl&nbsp; &nbsp; :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" />&nbsp;Seriously, I think that is about as much overblown as the gun stuff towards the democrats.&nbsp; The truth is, the unions themselves have done more harm to unionism than the gov&#039;t.&nbsp; Do you think the gov&#039;t could have done this to a healthy union?&nbsp; I don&#039;t think so.&nbsp; Even our own IBT has done more to turn people off to the union and the union ranks and UPS didn&#039;t have to lift a hand.&nbsp; Central States being a perfect example.&nbsp; Had they been better stewards with our money, I think it&#039;s fair to say UPS would have no chance and would not even try to make a takeover move.&nbsp; The handwritting was on the wall about CS in 97&#039; but we were to conditioned to not notice it.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Even the IBT itself is about a trainwreck as it pertains to it&#039;s own financial house.&nbsp; They keep shifting more and more money to the wage side in hopes of driving up monthy dues to cover the spread but it&#039;s still not enough.&nbsp; Like UPS, as many folks walk in the front door of the hall as walk out the back, especially in the open shop states.&nbsp; &nbsp;I&#039;ll agree with you on the gun part but politely disagree that the republicans have brought down the union&#039;s house.&nbsp; We did that to ourselves as vultures only feed off of sick and dying and steer clear of the healthy.&nbsp;Also unions refused to face the changing paradigms of the american workforce IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 299510, member: 2189"] Anyone who looks at the historical record the last 30 years will clearly see that is the case. It is factual to say that many democrat so-called anti-gunners are vocal but I at least respect the fact that they say upfront what they will do and they don't mince words. You know where Chuckie Schumer stands. But many republicans however wrap themselves in covers of Guns and Ammo in public and then in private do in many ways opposite. I should know I get a nice check every week from em'! :money::rofl: Seriously, I think that is about as much overblown as the gun stuff towards the democrats. The truth is, the unions themselves have done more harm to unionism than the gov't. Do you think the gov't could have done this to a healthy union? I don't think so. Even our own IBT has done more to turn people off to the union and the union ranks and UPS didn't have to lift a hand. Central States being a perfect example. Had they been better stewards with our money, I think it's fair to say UPS would have no chance and would not even try to make a takeover move. The handwritting was on the wall about CS in 97' but we were to conditioned to not notice it. Even the IBT itself is about a trainwreck as it pertains to it's own financial house. They keep shifting more and more money to the wage side in hopes of driving up monthy dues to cover the spread but it's still not enough. Like UPS, as many folks walk in the front door of the hall as walk out the back, especially in the open shop states. I'll agree with you on the gun part but politely disagree that the republicans have brought down the union's house. We did that to ourselves as vultures only feed off of sick and dying and steer clear of the healthy. Also unions refused to face the changing paradigms of the american workforce IMO. [/QUOTE]

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