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Has IBT/CS been a wise steward of our pension?
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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 52936"><p>sawman, </p><p>Moreluck is dead on with her comment as you have nothing to prove your point other than to post something from an unknown poster on another website. How do we know it wasn't you for example? I'm not suggesting it isn't possible as I honestly don't know but on the flip side I have absolutely no proof that there is such a situation. Mr. Silkman warned in his email to me about all the internet rumors going around and specifically he warned about some that surrounded the pension ideas floating around. Unless you can post cold hard facts and the source of documentation to back it up you are just wasting your time with what for now the rest of us will consider as pie in the sky! </p><p> </p><p>Now I want to ask a broader question to everyone and this is more a general what if than anything else. What if we did go with this new union APWA, has anyone given thought or should I say has anyone heard specifically from the folks spearheading this effort, not internet rumor, but how will this new effort go about establishing it's infastructure of union locals, etc. You don't grow union halls on trees and you don't hire BA's and local union officers with promises but you need cash. In my head I can think of a few ways but it'll have it's bumps for sure. I'm just wondering if a new effort can build it's infastructure while at the same time develop a new contract, we'll need this if we leave IBT, and still chase after UPS and the games they love to play. The pension problem is one thing for sure but there is a laundry list of issues that goes with jumping from an established union to building one from the ground up. I'm not poo-pooing the idea because IMO if anyone can do it UPSers can but will they get focused and be willing to scarfice some time and effort to do so? If you look at the level of involvement now in the IBT it would suggest the answer to the question is no but that lack of involvement may be more an example of frustration and fed up than a lack of interest. Hard to really tell at this point what the answer is but the pension is only a part of this whole deal even though the pension problem has gotten the most focus. I'd be interested in any thoughts, pro or con concerning this aspect as I believe this is a pretty good crew to bat this question around with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 52936"] sawman, Moreluck is dead on with her comment as you have nothing to prove your point other than to post something from an unknown poster on another website. How do we know it wasn't you for example? I'm not suggesting it isn't possible as I honestly don't know but on the flip side I have absolutely no proof that there is such a situation. Mr. Silkman warned in his email to me about all the internet rumors going around and specifically he warned about some that surrounded the pension ideas floating around. Unless you can post cold hard facts and the source of documentation to back it up you are just wasting your time with what for now the rest of us will consider as pie in the sky! Now I want to ask a broader question to everyone and this is more a general what if than anything else. What if we did go with this new union APWA, has anyone given thought or should I say has anyone heard specifically from the folks spearheading this effort, not internet rumor, but how will this new effort go about establishing it's infastructure of union locals, etc. You don't grow union halls on trees and you don't hire BA's and local union officers with promises but you need cash. In my head I can think of a few ways but it'll have it's bumps for sure. I'm just wondering if a new effort can build it's infastructure while at the same time develop a new contract, we'll need this if we leave IBT, and still chase after UPS and the games they love to play. The pension problem is one thing for sure but there is a laundry list of issues that goes with jumping from an established union to building one from the ground up. I'm not poo-pooing the idea because IMO if anyone can do it UPSers can but will they get focused and be willing to scarfice some time and effort to do so? If you look at the level of involvement now in the IBT it would suggest the answer to the question is no but that lack of involvement may be more an example of frustration and fed up than a lack of interest. Hard to really tell at this point what the answer is but the pension is only a part of this whole deal even though the pension problem has gotten the most focus. I'd be interested in any thoughts, pro or con concerning this aspect as I believe this is a pretty good crew to bat this question around with. [/QUOTE]
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