Heard it thru the grapevine...

[AutoZone]

So in talking with a pretty savvy, seemingly pretty smart center manager, told me he believes the main purpose of Orion is so that if the union decides to strike again, they'll have the software in place to just hire off the streets for half of what they pay us, and then tell the union to take a hike eventually.. o asked where he got that from, and he said the next contract top rate FT driver pay will more then likely be cut by $7-$8 an hour unless you're grandfathered in because ups has to make up their losses somewhere. Something about they hardly show profit on shipping now, and they've been buying up other companies just to stay afloat right now.. anyone have any insight on this,?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You mean anyone other than you?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Just smoke and mirrors for the investors

Stupid corporate numbers that's all.
Save a penny and throw a hundred dollar bill in the garbage.

Don't care , just as long as my paycheck clears.

 

[Richard Harrow]

You lost me at...

So in talking with a pretty savvy, seemingly pretty smart center manager

 

[Rack em]

I highly doubt it would happen but if they did negotiate a $7-$8 pay cut from top rate then I would lose faith in my union.

 

[Browntown2014]

So in talking with a pretty savvy, seemingly pretty smart center manager, told me he believes the main purpose of Orion is so that if the union decides to strike again, they'll have the software in place to just hire off the streets for half of what they pay us, and then tell the union to take a hike eventually.. o asked where he got that from, and he said the next contract top rate FT driver pay will more then likely be cut by $7-$8 an hour unless you're grandfathered in because ups has to make up their losses somewhere. Something about they hardly show profit on shipping now, and they've been buying up other companies just to stay afloat right now.. anyone have any insight on this,?

Orion makes routes harder to run not easier.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I highly doubt it would happen but if they did negotiate a $7-$8 pay cut from top rate then I would lose faith in my union.

Two tiered for drivers will be a reality.

 

[Fnix]

Two tiered for drivers will be a reality.

what exactly is two tiered pay mean? I'm in first year progression right now. What would that mean for me?

 

[Brisket]

what exactly is two tiered pay mean? I'm in first year progression right now. What would that mean for me?

That you would be grandfathered in...

 

[Future]

Orion makes routes harder to run not easier.

Rural routes yes..... besides that no.....its a shame

 

[Mustacheyouaquestion]

Happy to be grandfathered in! I feel sorry for the poor chaps that keep taking hits like 4 yr progression and soon to come tiered drivers. This jobs takes a lot out of you physically that's why we deserve and earn our pay. No average Joe could do this day after day before getting hurt or getting in an accident. Remember to vote brothers it shows our strength. whoever you vote for.

 

[dookie stain]

You think I care?! Because I really don't. Roll damn Tide!!

 

[rod]

So in talking with a pretty savvy, seemingly pretty smart center manager, told me he believes the main purpose of Orion is so that if the union decides to strike again, they'll have the software in place to just hire off the streets for half of what they pay us, and then tell the union to take a hike eventually.. o asked where he got that from, and he said the next contract top rate FT driver pay will more then likely be cut by $7-$8 an hour unless you're grandfathered in because ups has to make up their losses somewhere. Something about they hardly show profit on shipping now, and they've been buying up other companies just to stay afloat right now.. anyone have any insight on this,?

I don't recall UPS having a losing quarter. If any of this back peddling happens its only because the troops aren't getting involved. You will have only yourselves to thank.

 

[burrheadd]

Two tiered for drivers will be a reality.

Haven't we heard this before?

 

[burrheadd]

You think I care?! Because I really don't. Roll damn Tide!!

 

[dookie stain]

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You are outside your damn mind

 

[Brisket]

You think I care?! Because I really don't. Roll damn Tide!!

Saban is a pretty savvy coach!

 

[KOG72]

You are outside your damn mind

Alabama & Michigan in the championship

 

[Benben]

Two tiered for drivers will be a reality.

It will become a reality only if spineless, boot-lickers (take a peak in the mirror) ALLOW it! You and I have been down this road before Dave. People like you disgust me. Always naysayers, never willing to step-up and toe the line for a principle or fellow human being.

 

[Mugarolla]

Haven't we heard this before?

And two tier has been here before, at least for PTers.

UPS has two priorities next contract.

1. Lower top rate for new hires (two tier)

2. Get out of the defined pension and into a matching 401.

Whether this will happen is up to us.