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<blockquote data-quote="John Arnold" data-source="post: 357494" data-attributes="member: 5317"><p>It was Jetset who referred to selling up or down the river.</p><p>My response concerning understaffed at Bury was to demonstrate what contradictory statements you can get from UPS. You said that a friend was told there were no vacancies, yet UPS Labour Manager says that there is!! (this question was raised concerning a completely different issue which is of a confidential nature but does show to me that UPS will give different answers to meet different situations)</p><p> </p><p>Reasons for joining a union....</p><p>It has taken years of negotiations to achieve the levels of pay we have at UPS. UPS now believe that those rates are way above the market rate and are trying to remedy that by introducing OSPs. You will not find an OSP paying rates anywhere near UPS rates. Germany was in exactly the same situation in 1995. In 1995 it was a 100% Brown operation, then they began to introduce OSPs (Outside Service Providers or sub-contractors) there is now a 50:50 split between Brown and OSPs. This could not happen in the US, although UPS would dearly like to use sub-contractors like their competitors, because of the strength of the Teamsters and their agreements. We are trying to get an agreement in the UK to control OSPs but because of our weak position this is proving to be difficult. If you value your T&Cs at UPS this is one reason to join the union and help us to protect them, because they are clearly under threat from the spread of sub-contracting. But of course you are free to continue as a freeloader and accept whatever benefits come your way from union negotiations. They do not fall out of the sky and UPS are not a philanthropic organisation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Arnold, post: 357494, member: 5317"] It was Jetset who referred to selling up or down the river. My response concerning understaffed at Bury was to demonstrate what contradictory statements you can get from UPS. You said that a friend was told there were no vacancies, yet UPS Labour Manager says that there is!! (this question was raised concerning a completely different issue which is of a confidential nature but does show to me that UPS will give different answers to meet different situations) Reasons for joining a union.... It has taken years of negotiations to achieve the levels of pay we have at UPS. UPS now believe that those rates are way above the market rate and are trying to remedy that by introducing OSPs. You will not find an OSP paying rates anywhere near UPS rates. Germany was in exactly the same situation in 1995. In 1995 it was a 100% Brown operation, then they began to introduce OSPs (Outside Service Providers or sub-contractors) there is now a 50:50 split between Brown and OSPs. This could not happen in the US, although UPS would dearly like to use sub-contractors like their competitors, because of the strength of the Teamsters and their agreements. We are trying to get an agreement in the UK to control OSPs but because of our weak position this is proving to be difficult. If you value your T&Cs at UPS this is one reason to join the union and help us to protect them, because they are clearly under threat from the spread of sub-contracting. But of course you are free to continue as a freeloader and accept whatever benefits come your way from union negotiations. They do not fall out of the sky and UPS are not a philanthropic organisation. [/QUOTE]
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