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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 579524" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>It's human nature to look at events from the POV of conclusion and then judge actions based on the end and not from the POV of what happened in the beginning. It may seem almost impossible from a certain POV not to justify Hiroshima and Nagasaki and sadly to the sacrifice of citizens of both cities in saving far greater numbers in human toll. From an endgame, I'd almost have to concede the point.</p><p></p><p>However, if one looks at the beginning, before the events of Pearl Harbor, one may then honestly question the whole entire event ever needing to happen and that scores of both American and Japanese people died needlessly. Pat Buchannan in his work Churchill, Hilter and the Unnecessary War raises excellent point about the needless war of Europe but one need to go back a bit further to consider the events in the Pacific.</p><p></p><p>In 1999' former WW2 sailor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stinnett" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stinnett</a> wrote a powerful and equally provocative book entitled "Day of Deceit, The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor" which among other things based on gov't documents that the US via policy manipulated if you will the Japanese into some kind of attack that would allow FDR a pretext to enter the European theater of war when the larger public was against such efforts. The book can be found complete here and one area worth a quick look is Chapter 2 which covers the infamous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo</a> from Oct. 1940' which came to light in 2000' when blowback from Oliver Stones movie JFK forced the President Clinton to release sheaves of related documents of which the McCollum Memo was among and Stinnett obtained through a FOIA request.</p><p></p><p>The memo laid out 8 points in which Japan in effect could be provoked into an overt attack upon the United States. From <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Q2UKN5daNHYC&dq=reason+why+japan+attacked+pearl+harbor&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=QCx_SvL1NtaQtgeRv433AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12#v=onepage&q=&friend=false" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">"Day of Deceit" </span></a>, Chapter 2 entitled "FDR's Backdoor War" page 8 we find the following:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These were in the memo dated 10/7/1940', a year, 2 months before Pearl Harbor. As we begin to look at the larger history across several sources (<a href="http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/wwiipaccauses_2.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">here</span></a> and <a href="http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/wwii/88734.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">here</span></a> for example) we start to see that either McCollum was a modern day Nostradomus or his memo was not shelved and overlooked as <a href="http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt#Pearl_Harbor" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">some</span></a> have said. For example:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I harken back to the testimony of one Major General Secord who explained to a "dumb" Congress (just playing their Shakespearean party) of what is called "Plausible Deniability" in protecting a sitting President. Regardless, known history sure does fit the 1940' memo after the fact.</p><p></p><p>Maybe instead of judging those 2 nuclear devices as necessary evils, we might be better served judging the men who manipulated the situation that ultimately lead to the destruction of those people and not only the killings in Japan but Dresden, Conventry and elsewhere as well. Funny we never have the courage to challenge the myths of our own State political theater and instead we make the actors of the greek tragedy into gods to be worshipped for all time. One wonders if it goes long enough if our vaulted leaders will one day be told as having walked on water and arose from the dead? As gov't we already see them sitting at the right hand of God as supreme sovereign!</p><p></p><p>As time goes by we learn more and more of how WW1, WW2, Vietnam were predicated on lies and in the years ahead what will we learn of the conflicts of the 1990's and the post 9/11 events?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 579524, member: 2189"] It's human nature to look at events from the POV of conclusion and then judge actions based on the end and not from the POV of what happened in the beginning. It may seem almost impossible from a certain POV not to justify Hiroshima and Nagasaki and sadly to the sacrifice of citizens of both cities in saving far greater numbers in human toll. From an endgame, I'd almost have to concede the point. However, if one looks at the beginning, before the events of Pearl Harbor, one may then honestly question the whole entire event ever needing to happen and that scores of both American and Japanese people died needlessly. Pat Buchannan in his work Churchill, Hilter and the Unnecessary War raises excellent point about the needless war of Europe but one need to go back a bit further to consider the events in the Pacific. In 1999' former WW2 sailor [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stinnett[/URL] wrote a powerful and equally provocative book entitled "Day of Deceit, The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor" which among other things based on gov't documents that the US via policy manipulated if you will the Japanese into some kind of attack that would allow FDR a pretext to enter the European theater of war when the larger public was against such efforts. The book can be found complete here and one area worth a quick look is Chapter 2 which covers the infamous [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo[/URL] from Oct. 1940' which came to light in 2000' when blowback from Oliver Stones movie JFK forced the President Clinton to release sheaves of related documents of which the McCollum Memo was among and Stinnett obtained through a FOIA request. The memo laid out 8 points in which Japan in effect could be provoked into an overt attack upon the United States. From [URL='http://books.google.com/books?id=Q2UKN5daNHYC&dq=reason+why+japan+attacked+pearl+harbor&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=QCx_SvL1NtaQtgeRv433AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12#v=onepage&q=&friend=false'][COLOR=red]"Day of Deceit" [/COLOR][/URL], Chapter 2 entitled "FDR's Backdoor War" page 8 we find the following: These were in the memo dated 10/7/1940', a year, 2 months before Pearl Harbor. As we begin to look at the larger history across several sources ([URL='http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/wwiipaccauses_2.htm'][COLOR=red]here[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL='http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/wwii/88734.htm'][COLOR=red]here[/COLOR][/URL] for example) we start to see that either McCollum was a modern day Nostradomus or his memo was not shelved and overlooked as [URL='http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt#Pearl_Harbor'][COLOR=red]some[/COLOR][/URL] have said. For example: I harken back to the testimony of one Major General Secord who explained to a "dumb" Congress (just playing their Shakespearean party) of what is called "Plausible Deniability" in protecting a sitting President. Regardless, known history sure does fit the 1940' memo after the fact. Maybe instead of judging those 2 nuclear devices as necessary evils, we might be better served judging the men who manipulated the situation that ultimately lead to the destruction of those people and not only the killings in Japan but Dresden, Conventry and elsewhere as well. Funny we never have the courage to challenge the myths of our own State political theater and instead we make the actors of the greek tragedy into gods to be worshipped for all time. One wonders if it goes long enough if our vaulted leaders will one day be told as having walked on water and arose from the dead? As gov't we already see them sitting at the right hand of God as supreme sovereign! As time goes by we learn more and more of how WW1, WW2, Vietnam were predicated on lies and in the years ahead what will we learn of the conflicts of the 1990's and the post 9/11 events? [/QUOTE]
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