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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 974753" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>As I pointed out, the unions greatly contributed to their own demise. Say what you will, but companies didn't just start doling out benefits because they're benign rulers. Unions forced them through strikes and negotiations to concede basic rights like 40 hr work weeks. And if you have a unionized company with good pay and benefits in an area where other companies didn't, you'd have 1)The best workers trying to get the union jobs and 2)workers at the non-union companies start to talk about forming a union. Apparently you live in Pleasantville where people are happy to work hard for little and think that's ok as long as the boss and his family live well. And as always you tend to push the extreme view. I want to work hard and earn every penny. I don't expect to make as much as a UPS driver or have a gold plated retirement. I do however expect to be treated fairly and with honesty. If I work for you X years because you said that if I did I'd get a decent pension then I expect you to keep your word. If you don't so that you can live extremely well at my expense then why should I believe or trust anything you say or stand for? If at the end of the day it's only about the money for you then you and others like you are the major cause of the mess we're in. These things don't just happen, people make them happen. Greedy people who lack honor made this happen. And are still trying to make a buck with everything falling down around them. </p><p></p><p>Read up on the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, the wars against the Spanish in the Americas, the Vietnamese uprising against the French in Indochina. It may take decades, but sooner or later people revolt against the idea that the relative few can live lavish lives while the majority struggle to have food to eat. Don't kid yourself that it can't happen here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 974753, member: 24302"] As I pointed out, the unions greatly contributed to their own demise. Say what you will, but companies didn't just start doling out benefits because they're benign rulers. Unions forced them through strikes and negotiations to concede basic rights like 40 hr work weeks. And if you have a unionized company with good pay and benefits in an area where other companies didn't, you'd have 1)The best workers trying to get the union jobs and 2)workers at the non-union companies start to talk about forming a union. Apparently you live in Pleasantville where people are happy to work hard for little and think that's ok as long as the boss and his family live well. And as always you tend to push the extreme view. I want to work hard and earn every penny. I don't expect to make as much as a UPS driver or have a gold plated retirement. I do however expect to be treated fairly and with honesty. If I work for you X years because you said that if I did I'd get a decent pension then I expect you to keep your word. If you don't so that you can live extremely well at my expense then why should I believe or trust anything you say or stand for? If at the end of the day it's only about the money for you then you and others like you are the major cause of the mess we're in. These things don't just happen, people make them happen. Greedy people who lack honor made this happen. And are still trying to make a buck with everything falling down around them. Read up on the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, the wars against the Spanish in the Americas, the Vietnamese uprising against the French in Indochina. It may take decades, but sooner or later people revolt against the idea that the relative few can live lavish lives while the majority struggle to have food to eat. Don't kid yourself that it can't happen here. [/QUOTE]
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