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<blockquote data-quote="Overpaid Union Thug" data-source="post: 357386" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>Oh I understand all right. I'm married to one so I know how things really are. I used to have the same attitude that most Americans have towards illegals but things changed. The scenario you describe above is a generalization. Or even a stereotyping of them. I used to work in a factory full of them and I also lived in a neighborhood where every other house was occupied by them. So, it's pretty safe to say I've been "submersed" in their way of life. LOL! I can tell you that most of them don't share a house with 3-4 families and most do pay taxes. We've had this discussion here before and I've explained all this before. Most of them are working under social security cards that were sold to them. In this area it's primarily Puerto Ricans that are selling their cards. When they get a job they have taxes taken out of their checks even if they max out the dependents they claim on their W-4s. The taxes taken out on illegal's checks <strong>DOES</strong> go into social security. It doesn't really matter though because the government borrows from it just like it borrows from everyone else's. Most people don't realize that illegals are actually helping fund the war on terrorism. Many illegals get Individual Tax Identification Numbers (same thing as a social security number but can't be used to get a job) and these are used to file taxes. </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>This is true everywhere but still isn't an accurate picture of the jobs the majority of them are doing. Believe it or not most illegals work in factories, retail, warehouses, etc..</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>That is another assumption and a silly one at that. The theory that the INS won't deport a mother because she has U.S. citizen kids is exactly that....a theory. Believe me I know. I've been over this with my wife's lawyer many times. Sure, the decision makers at the INS sometimes have a heart and some illegals are allowed to stay if they have kids that were born here but on the rare occasion that happens the mothers are still required to get a lawyer and "adjust status" and that costs thousands of dollars and usually involves the mother having to go back to Mexico (or where ever they came from) to get processes through our consulate there. It could take as little as a few weeks and as long as a year. I know all this because my wife will have to do this. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Again....that scenario represents such a small minority of the illegal workers but I totally agree that it is wrong. The employers should be held accountable. The affected US citizens in those areas still don't have an excuse to not find work. Who is forcing them to be limited to those kind of jobs? No one. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Where do you come up with this crap? Again you are way off but since your opinions seem to mirror the way I felt before learned the truth I will explain. Plenty of them would love to become citizens. Most would give anything to even have a green card let alone citizenship. They come here out of desperation. Mexico has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Most are from poor areas with no jobs prospects and the few jobs there are don't pay well. Unlike our lazy welfare recipients here they actually get out and look for work out of their area. You ever notice most of the illegals are really dark skinned and look like Native Americans? Well it's because they are and they aren't exactly treated fairly. The Mexicans of Spanish decent have all the power and the native population is at the bottom of the hill and we all know what rolls down hill. It's pretty much what happened here with our Native Americans except the Spanish didn't wipe out as many as we did while forming our country. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I know about this. It just shows how corrupt their government is. Don't think for a second that I'm an advocate of illegal immigration. I'm just more educated as to how and why it's happening than most because of my situation. I have sympathy for most of them. I just wish the border would be fixed so that there weren't so many of them. The ones that come here and work and stay out of trouble are a totally different breed than the ones that come in and steal, rape, murder, etc. and believe me the ones that aren't hate them as much as Americans do. If the border were closed, or at least strengthened, then much of this would stop.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Overpaid Union Thug, post: 357386, member: 198"] Oh I understand all right. I'm married to one so I know how things really are. I used to have the same attitude that most Americans have towards illegals but things changed. The scenario you describe above is a generalization. Or even a stereotyping of them. I used to work in a factory full of them and I also lived in a neighborhood where every other house was occupied by them. So, it's pretty safe to say I've been "submersed" in their way of life. LOL! I can tell you that most of them don't share a house with 3-4 families and most do pay taxes. We've had this discussion here before and I've explained all this before. Most of them are working under social security cards that were sold to them. In this area it's primarily Puerto Ricans that are selling their cards. When they get a job they have taxes taken out of their checks even if they max out the dependents they claim on their W-4s. The taxes taken out on illegal's checks [b]DOES[/b] go into social security. It doesn't really matter though because the government borrows from it just like it borrows from everyone else's. Most people don't realize that illegals are actually helping fund the war on terrorism. Many illegals get Individual Tax Identification Numbers (same thing as a social security number but can't be used to get a job) and these are used to file taxes. This is true everywhere but still isn't an accurate picture of the jobs the majority of them are doing. Believe it or not most illegals work in factories, retail, warehouses, etc.. That is another assumption and a silly one at that. The theory that the INS won't deport a mother because she has U.S. citizen kids is exactly that....a theory. Believe me I know. I've been over this with my wife's lawyer many times. Sure, the decision makers at the INS sometimes have a heart and some illegals are allowed to stay if they have kids that were born here but on the rare occasion that happens the mothers are still required to get a lawyer and "adjust status" and that costs thousands of dollars and usually involves the mother having to go back to Mexico (or where ever they came from) to get processes through our consulate there. It could take as little as a few weeks and as long as a year. I know all this because my wife will have to do this. Again....that scenario represents such a small minority of the illegal workers but I totally agree that it is wrong. The employers should be held accountable. The affected US citizens in those areas still don't have an excuse to not find work. Who is forcing them to be limited to those kind of jobs? No one. Where do you come up with this crap? Again you are way off but since your opinions seem to mirror the way I felt before learned the truth I will explain. Plenty of them would love to become citizens. Most would give anything to even have a green card let alone citizenship. They come here out of desperation. Mexico has one of the most corrupt governments on the planet. Most are from poor areas with no jobs prospects and the few jobs there are don't pay well. Unlike our lazy welfare recipients here they actually get out and look for work out of their area. You ever notice most of the illegals are really dark skinned and look like Native Americans? Well it's because they are and they aren't exactly treated fairly. The Mexicans of Spanish decent have all the power and the native population is at the bottom of the hill and we all know what rolls down hill. It's pretty much what happened here with our Native Americans except the Spanish didn't wipe out as many as we did while forming our country. I know about this. It just shows how corrupt their government is. Don't think for a second that I'm an advocate of illegal immigration. I'm just more educated as to how and why it's happening than most because of my situation. I have sympathy for most of them. I just wish the border would be fixed so that there weren't so many of them. The ones that come here and work and stay out of trouble are a totally different breed than the ones that come in and steal, rape, murder, etc. and believe me the ones that aren't hate them as much as Americans do. If the border were closed, or at least strengthened, then much of this would stop. [/QUOTE]
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