How will self driving cars impact UPS jobs?

Discussion in 'USPS, DHL, Amazon, Drones, etc.' started by Coldfeer234, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. Coldfeer234

    Coldfeer234 Member

    been following these self driving cars for a bit. seems they're being introduced slowly and slowly by different companies.

    UBER is now slowly rolling them out.
  2. sandwich

    sandwich Active Member

    If a self driving car can load up handcart and deliver a high rise, or back up to a dock and load up a truck it would be worrisome. Until then its a waste of money to convert package cars to self driving if you still need a service provider to provide service.
  3. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    The reduction in accidents might push the issue faster than you might think. They'll still need an operator and delivery guy for now but eventually you could be prepping the next stop in the cargo area while the truck drives there.
  4. olroadbeech

    olroadbeech Happy Verified UPSer

    wow! that would be something.

    it seems like technology is moving too fast. glad i live in the country.
  5. sandwich

    sandwich Active Member

    The reduction in accidents isn't there yet. The Google car drove around for a year and got into 11 accidents. Auto driving has a looking way to go before it becomes beneficial. I've been driving for ups everyday since 2005 and have no accidents. And I live in one of the most congested areas of the country.
  6. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    I thought the Google cars only have 1 at fault accident. Computers will be better drivers, it's only a matter of when not if. Add in the cost savings of not having to train people to drive and the economics will make it necessary to adopt.
  7. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Now, a low life jack wagon, and still loving it.

    It won't happen in your lifetime.
  8. Gone fishin

    Gone fishin Member

    Would you let one drive you. No way anyone in my family would. Computers break all the time. What happens when the cars driving and it goes out.
  9. dudebro

    dudebro Active Member

    It absolutely will, technology wise. The Google cars do not "break all the time", they'll build in a redundancy like an airplane would. If they have an issue, they slowly pull over and stop. The question is what protections can the Teamsters negotiate into the contract to protect jobs during the transition. There's nothing really stopping yard switchers from being automated now - there's no on road liability.
  10. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. I'd love it. Road trips where I could relax and take in the sights. My hour commute at the end of the day being reduced because traffic is better controlled and I can sit back and read a book. Where do I sign up?
  11. dudebro

    dudebro Active Member

    I'm playing devils advocate here, but you don't necessarily need a fully qualified top rate service provider in this instance - all you need, is a "helper".
  12. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Now, a low life jack wagon, and still loving it.

    When someone builds one capable of driving down a one lane, unmarked, gravel road at night in a snowstorm, let me know.
  13. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    You realize humans aren't particularly good at that either right? Just because there will be exceptions when manual control is needed doesn't mean the whole idea falls apart. Automation is coming in all industries.
  14. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Computers just don't "go out".

    Computers don't put their make up on, drink coffee, read the mail, shave, brush their teeth or do any of the countless number of things drivers should not be doing while driving.

    Computers can accurately and instantly recognize and adjust for changing conditions.

    I would sooner let a computer drive me around than drive a Smart car on a freeway.
  15. Shifting Contents

    Shifting Contents Most Help Needed

    My question has always been

    When all labor is automated, who is going to have a job and have money to buy whatever they're making?

    No everyone is adept to an office job.
  16. Gone fishin

    Gone fishin Member

    I read where the tesla ran through a tractor trailer killing the driver because the sensor didn't pick up the trailer I'm not gonna be that mistake. I have no problem with others trying them,just rather be in control
  17. dudebro

    dudebro Active Member

    And even then, the Google car was moving at 2 mph and the bus it sideswiped was moving at 15 mph. Both vehicles thought the other would yield, and the confusion was someone has blocked off a storm drain with sandbags.

    Google's self-driving car finally at fault in accident
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    From what I read the trailer was white and the sun was at an angle where it blinded the computer.
  19. dudebro

    dudebro Active Member

    And the guy was watching a movie, when he was SUPPOSED to be in control. I'm sure the 2 software updates they've released since then has addressed that to some degree. What isn't making the news, is all the crashes that COULD have been avoided through automation and weren't.

    Like the guy who had a PE and COULDN'T drive, but the car took him to the hospital on his command.

    Tesla Autopilot Drives Owner to Hospital During Pulmonary Embolism

    And automation would eliminate the dozens of stories like these where a tractor trailer kills an entire family through inattention:

    Tractor-trailer driver arrested in Alabama crash that killed family of 3

    6 in single extended family killed in Kentucky highway crash
  20. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Now, a low life jack wagon, and still loving it.

    No. The front-facing sensors are mounted low on the front bumper.

    If the trailer had had side skirts or if the wheels had been in front of the car, the accident probably wouldn't have happened.