If we hit 50% voter turnout and 2/3 majority

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Time for change, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    will negotiators and the president finally admit they failed, or will they blame the huge increase in turnout and super majority on the members they are supposed to represent?
     
  2. bowhnterdon

    bowhnterdon Active Member

    Anything is possible, but 50% vote turnout will be tough...
     
  3. Str8right72

    Str8right72 New Member

    Once again, if the turnout for the strike authorization is any litmus, which I think it is, then I believe Hoffa will implement it. Even if it’s 2/3 of a small number. Scary.
     
  4. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    Well last contract 35% I think and the energy over this one seems to be far greater so I’m hopeful.
     
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  5. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    I don’t believe he can if it’s 2/3 of a small number.
     
  6. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    Keep in mind that the energy wasn’t there until well after the strike authorization vote and also keep in mind people tend to vote for the biggest ones more often like Presidential elections vs strictly state or local.
     
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  7. BigBrown87

    BigBrown87 If it’s brown, it’s going down

    He cant, it's in the union bylaws that they have to reject the offer.
     
  8. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    Hmm I thought 2/3 no matter number of voters automatically passed it. And 50% a simple majority passed it.
     
  9. Tony Q

    Tony Q Well-Known Member

    With the sheer volume of literature and information the IBT and Teamsters United there should be know reason for a low turnout. I don’t care what side of the fence you are on. There is no excuse to not have a high voter turnout in this contract.
     
  10. Tony Q

    Tony Q Well-Known Member

    You have more chance of a strike that Hoffa ever implementing this contract. After this is all said and done people will blame him for not implementing this contract.
     
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  11. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    What ??
     
  12. Coldworld

    Coldworld Bad mall cop...no donut!!!

    Sad thing about it is even if they proposed a 5.00 per hour pay cut across the board and 50% reduction in your health and welfare there STILL would be members who wouldn’t vote on the contract....insane!!
     
  13. Str8right72

    Str8right72 New Member

    I believe there is an article in our constitution, article XII I think, that states differently. If I am incorrect I apologize as I am not trying to spread misinformation.
     
  14. Str8right72

    Str8right72 New Member

    I don’t deal in blame, for what it’s worth. I believe he implemented the last one. Which makes me think if he considers us an unreasonable majority maybe he exercises that power. Just a brainstorm.
     
  15. Str8right72

    Str8right72 New Member

    Agreed
     
  16. BigBrown87

    BigBrown87 If it’s brown, it’s going down

    2/3 under 50% vote No they have to reject the Proposed contract, one of the members posted the union bylaws which stated this.
     
  17. BigBrown87

    BigBrown87 If it’s brown, it’s going down

    If voting No and under 50% turn out then 2/3 would be required to reject the offer. Hoffa could impasse us if it is under 2/3 of less then 50% turn out which will likely be the case unfortunately.
     
  18. opie

    opie Active Member

    Just a simple majority is needed to reject the contract.
     
  19. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I believe it has to be the final offer for that to happen but you are correct with the 2/3 under 50%. Here is the language you are talking about that was posted on here by bubblehead.

    Article 12 - Section 2(d) reads:

    "Results of ratification or rejection
    votes with respect to master agreements shall be determined
    by all involved voting members on a cumulative
    basis of all votes cast as follows:

    (1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote
    cast valid ballots then a cumulative majority of
    those voting in favor of the final offer shall result
    in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority
    of those voting against acceptance of the final
    offer shall authorize a strike without any additional
    vote being necessary for such strike
    authorization. A tie vote shall be resolved as provided
    in Section 1(b)(l) of this Article.

    (2) If less than half of the eligible memberscast valid
    ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting
    shall be required to reject such final offer and to
    authorize a strike. The failure of such membership
    to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
    herein provided shall require the negotiating committee
    to accept such final offer or such additional
    provisions as can be negotiated by it."



    b

    This is incorrect. Only if at least 50% vote. I believe last contract only about 25% voted.
     
  20. opie

    opie Active Member

    This is based on a "last and final" offer. So only a majority is needed on this first vote.
     
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