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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 3596742" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>To answer your question about why anyone would post information about our pay and benefits I will try to explain. The fact that this thread, as you say, made its way onto google news, supports my hypothesis that the OP is a bot (or just a paid operative, but I prefer the bot theory because its posts sound like they were created by a bot) that was set in place by UPS and/or teamsters to disrupt the conversation among workers, and now we can add "sway public opinion" to the list of motives. So you are asking the wrong people. </p><p></p><p>I didn't miss your point, I'm pointing out the fact that you are ignoring (and continue to ignore) our actual concerns. For sake of argument, we'll say that the OP is legit, his purpose for posting the information he did is in line with your motives, to tell us how great we have it and convince us not to strike. His point is not to say that we deserve more money. From the many posts I've read the only concern anyone has expressed over driver pay is that it keep up with inflation. The ones we want to see make more money are the part timers. You are rebutting an argument we are not making, it's called a strawman fallacy.</p><p></p><p>I agree we have something to worry about from competition, that's nothing new. A strike could be devastating (nobody wants one), and public opinion may be against us, but you can't put all the responsibility for those facts on the union members, we can't do <em>all</em> the giving and what we are asking is not unrealistic. We want to keep browning up and doing the job, but we have a responsibility to ourselves and those who come after us to fight against the degradation of working conditions and the devaluation of our labor. It is management's lack of recognition of those two simple responsibilities that creates the threat of a strike, not the fact that we take those responsibilities seriously.</p><p></p><p>As for tech, it's coming, and nothing short of the collapse of civilization can stop it. Ironically, the tech itself may ultimately cause the collapse of civilization if we fail to adjust our economic model appropriately. If we succeed at making the needed adjustments, then technology need not be feared. There is no indication that technology poses any significant threat to package handling/delivering jobs within the next five years, so it need not require any serious consideration in these negotiations.</p><p></p><p>My advice to you is that you should not take one out of context post written by management, supplied to the media by management for their purposes and come here, guns blazing, telling us all to straighten up and fly right. Take some time, look around, and find the real story. Once you arm yourself with some real information, and you still have a problem with what you see, then feel free to start making some informed arguments. You are not the only management member on the forum (heck, we got plenty of the competition on here as well), so stick around and get to know us better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 3596742, member: 63706"] To answer your question about why anyone would post information about our pay and benefits I will try to explain. The fact that this thread, as you say, made its way onto google news, supports my hypothesis that the OP is a bot (or just a paid operative, but I prefer the bot theory because its posts sound like they were created by a bot) that was set in place by UPS and/or teamsters to disrupt the conversation among workers, and now we can add "sway public opinion" to the list of motives. So you are asking the wrong people. I didn't miss your point, I'm pointing out the fact that you are ignoring (and continue to ignore) our actual concerns. For sake of argument, we'll say that the OP is legit, his purpose for posting the information he did is in line with your motives, to tell us how great we have it and convince us not to strike. His point is not to say that we deserve more money. From the many posts I've read the only concern anyone has expressed over driver pay is that it keep up with inflation. The ones we want to see make more money are the part timers. You are rebutting an argument we are not making, it's called a strawman fallacy. I agree we have something to worry about from competition, that's nothing new. A strike could be devastating (nobody wants one), and public opinion may be against us, but you can't put all the responsibility for those facts on the union members, we can't do [I]all[/I] the giving and what we are asking is not unrealistic. We want to keep browning up and doing the job, but we have a responsibility to ourselves and those who come after us to fight against the degradation of working conditions and the devaluation of our labor. It is management's lack of recognition of those two simple responsibilities that creates the threat of a strike, not the fact that we take those responsibilities seriously. As for tech, it's coming, and nothing short of the collapse of civilization can stop it. Ironically, the tech itself may ultimately cause the collapse of civilization if we fail to adjust our economic model appropriately. If we succeed at making the needed adjustments, then technology need not be feared. There is no indication that technology poses any significant threat to package handling/delivering jobs within the next five years, so it need not require any serious consideration in these negotiations. My advice to you is that you should not take one out of context post written by management, supplied to the media by management for their purposes and come here, guns blazing, telling us all to straighten up and fly right. Take some time, look around, and find the real story. Once you arm yourself with some real information, and you still have a problem with what you see, then feel free to start making some informed arguments. You are not the only management member on the forum (heck, we got plenty of the competition on here as well), so stick around and get to know us better. [/QUOTE]
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