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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4626065" data-attributes="member: 63706">It&#039;s a matter of perspective. You can have and find support for whatever opinion you want to have, which is what you are doing, but you are trying to pass off opinion as fact. That is what frustrates me the most when I read communist/socialist/leftist propaganda. That&#039;s literally gaslighting, distorting reality by trying to pass off subjective opinions as objective facts. You have to completely redefine words in order to support your assertion that 5% enslaves 95%. Besides, I thought it was 1% enslaving 99%. I am not a slave, and if I am in any way limited in my choices it&#039;s by my own decision based on my own value system. It is far more efficient for me to continue to work for a corporation, despite all the problems, than it would be to strike out on my own. But that can change any time, and I always have the choice to leave. I am free to travel wherever I want, except onto other people&#039;s private property. You can say that life would be better for everyone under socialism, but that has never borne out. It&#039;s a lie to rouse the rabble, to create social unrest, to create turmoil and for a different select few to seize control and actually enslave everyone. You can say that those weren&#039;t &quot;true socialism&quot;, but I say the ideal socialism you have faith in is a fantasy, it cannot exist because it denies human nature to the most absolute degree, and systems are just people interacting. In order for a system to work at all, it has to be attuned to the people interacting within it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4626065, member: 63706"] It's a matter of perspective. You can have and find support for whatever opinion you want to have, which is what you are doing, but you are trying to pass off opinion as fact. That is what frustrates me the most when I read communist/socialist/leftist propaganda. That's literally gaslighting, distorting reality by trying to pass off subjective opinions as objective facts. You have to completely redefine words in order to support your assertion that 5% enslaves 95%. Besides, I thought it was 1% enslaving 99%. I am not a slave, and if I am in any way limited in my choices it's by my own decision based on my own value system. It is far more efficient for me to continue to work for a corporation, despite all the problems, than it would be to strike out on my own. But that can change any time, and I always have the choice to leave. I am free to travel wherever I want, except onto other people's private property. You can say that life would be better for everyone under socialism, but that has never borne out. It's a lie to rouse the rabble, to create social unrest, to create turmoil and for a different select few to seize control and actually enslave everyone. You can say that those weren't "true socialism", but I say the ideal socialism you have faith in is a fantasy, it cannot exist because it denies human nature to the most absolute degree, and systems are just people interacting. In order for a system to work at all, it has to be attuned to the people interacting within it. [/QUOTE]

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