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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4629259" data-attributes="member: 56035">capitalism and democracy are both pretty new.&nbsp; so we might ask since debatably they are better than what came before, why did it take so long from them to come into being?no one i listen to is in favor of dictatorships.&nbsp; and youre right they are efficient in the sense i would imagine theres no compromise.&nbsp; since democracy is relatively new, what came before it?&nbsp; i would assume dictatorships were before either by religion or kings.&nbsp; dont dictatorships last a long time?i was talking about fantasy.&nbsp; i assume you wanted a market only capitalist fantasy.capitalism is breaking down now.&nbsp; were in a stage of late capitalism.&nbsp; its either going to reform itself next 10 or 20 years or it will destroy itself.&nbsp; the fact that imperialist <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2&nbsp; &nbsp; :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />s destroy democracy is not a reason to give up on it.&nbsp; you just gotta beat the empires.&nbsp; its star wars.&nbsp; same for racism.&nbsp; they destroyed the movement partly by killing MLK, malcolm x, and jailing radicals under the guise of hte war on drugs.&nbsp; doesnt mean we should give up on it.i looked up richard wolff and i couldnt find anything why cooperatives are not more popular although hes certainly mentioned it.&nbsp; chomsky talks about how popular economic democracy was in america before 1900s but the idea which he thinks is quite natural and i agree has been driven out of people&#039;s heads.&nbsp; i will look up biggest coops in the world.&nbsp; mondragon is one, its not a perfect coop but its cool and its huge.u talked about rationality.&nbsp; markets are supposed to be based on that.&nbsp; but what do ads encourage?what kind of political system do you prefer since you mentioned short comings of democracy?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 4629259, member: 56035"] capitalism and democracy are both pretty new. so we might ask since debatably they are better than what came before, why did it take so long from them to come into being? no one i listen to is in favor of dictatorships. and youre right they are efficient in the sense i would imagine theres no compromise. since democracy is relatively new, what came before it? i would assume dictatorships were before either by religion or kings. dont dictatorships last a long time? i was talking about fantasy. i assume you wanted a market only capitalist fantasy. capitalism is breaking down now. were in a stage of late capitalism. its either going to reform itself next 10 or 20 years or it will destroy itself. the fact that imperialist :censored:s destroy democracy is not a reason to give up on it. you just gotta beat the empires. its star wars. same for racism. they destroyed the movement partly by killing MLK, malcolm x, and jailing radicals under the guise of hte war on drugs. doesnt mean we should give up on it. i looked up richard wolff and i couldnt find anything why cooperatives are not more popular although hes certainly mentioned it. chomsky talks about how popular economic democracy was in america before 1900s but the idea which he thinks is quite natural and i agree has been driven out of people's heads. i will look up biggest coops in the world. mondragon is one, its not a perfect coop but its cool and its huge. u talked about rationality. markets are supposed to be based on that. but what do ads encourage? what kind of political system do you prefer since you mentioned short comings of democracy? [/QUOTE]

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