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<blockquote data-quote="959Nanook" data-source="post: 981995" data-attributes="member: 14462"><p>Are we speaking of a Teamster who notified his management team or of a Teamster that didn't notify his management team when we answer this question in a situation like the one raised by the OP? Did you mean this in a more general sense when a Teamster does something illegal? I understood the question to be a response to want to retire's comment that the Feeder Manager should be fired for DIRECTING a Teamster to break the law. Personally, I don't think that firing the Feeder Manager is appropriate but I don't think half of the <em>attempted </em>Terminations of Teamsters that I have seen are appropriate either. Go figure, they overreact to many things that flag in reports or have an impact on management's bonus compensation and fail to respond to many things that should be addressed because they don't flag in a report or have an impact on the management's bonus compensation. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I had this occur with a package car rather recently and I handed the DVIR to my Supervisor so he could sign off that I was being directed to use expired equipment. Along the line of thought expressed by cachsux, I reasoned that expired does not inherently necessitate that it is unsafe. I informed my Supervisor that is was begging for a law enforcement officer to pull me over for expired tags because the sticker colors were a visual indicator that the registration was expired. </p><p></p><p>If I had made contact with law enforcement or commercial enforcement then I would have dealt with my consequences. Philosophically, I realize that my Supervisor's signature does not relieve me of any legal responsibility. I did and do feel it relieves me of some responsibility with UPS insofar as discipline is concerned and the truth is that my job is on the line on a regular basis and commercial enforcement hasn't pulled me over so I made/make a judgment call about where to fight my battles. I can see where some might think I made a bad judgment call. I wasn't happy to be put in the situation and I wasn't entirely at ease with my judgment call. I do feel that every Teamster that was dispatched with that truck since it had expired should have been given a written counseling for improper Pre-Trip at a minimum but that is not my call nor my place to recommend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="959Nanook, post: 981995, member: 14462"] Are we speaking of a Teamster who notified his management team or of a Teamster that didn't notify his management team when we answer this question in a situation like the one raised by the OP? Did you mean this in a more general sense when a Teamster does something illegal? I understood the question to be a response to want to retire's comment that the Feeder Manager should be fired for DIRECTING a Teamster to break the law. Personally, I don't think that firing the Feeder Manager is appropriate but I don't think half of the [I]attempted [/I]Terminations of Teamsters that I have seen are appropriate either. Go figure, they overreact to many things that flag in reports or have an impact on management's bonus compensation and fail to respond to many things that should be addressed because they don't flag in a report or have an impact on the management's bonus compensation. Personally, I had this occur with a package car rather recently and I handed the DVIR to my Supervisor so he could sign off that I was being directed to use expired equipment. Along the line of thought expressed by cachsux, I reasoned that expired does not inherently necessitate that it is unsafe. I informed my Supervisor that is was begging for a law enforcement officer to pull me over for expired tags because the sticker colors were a visual indicator that the registration was expired. If I had made contact with law enforcement or commercial enforcement then I would have dealt with my consequences. Philosophically, I realize that my Supervisor's signature does not relieve me of any legal responsibility. I did and do feel it relieves me of some responsibility with UPS insofar as discipline is concerned and the truth is that my job is on the line on a regular basis and commercial enforcement hasn't pulled me over so I made/make a judgment call about where to fight my battles. I can see where some might think I made a bad judgment call. I wasn't happy to be put in the situation and I wasn't entirely at ease with my judgment call. I do feel that every Teamster that was dispatched with that truck since it had expired should have been given a written counseling for improper Pre-Trip at a minimum but that is not my call nor my place to recommend. [/QUOTE]
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