You can force a union member to take a demotion?
insurance cuts for spouse's
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You can force a union member to take a demotion?
There are always some people that will think the grass is greener on the other side not matter what anyone tells them truth is.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
UPS Health Care Cuts a Canary in Coal Mine: Fulmer - Bloomberg
Northeastern University's Terry Fulmer comments on UPS's decision to drop health benefits for 15,000 of its workers’ spouses. She speaks with Adam Johnson on Bloomberg Television's "Street Smart."
Northeastern University's Terry Fulmer comments on UPS's decision to drop health benefits for 15,000 of its workers’ spouses. She speaks with Adam Johnson on Bloomberg Television's "Street Smart."
TooTechie
Geek in Brown
Not exactly. You get a penalty when filing your state income taxes. You can't get jail time in MA.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
No they are forcing other full time sups (preload twilight ) to become driver sups. Ok maybe they don't force them but they say become a driver sup or we are going to ship u off 4 hours away.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
You're a conservative's wet dream. Obamacare is much worse than a universal care system, but free-market health care costs, not Obamacare, is what is crippling our system. If we had a true, free-market system, then relief might be in sight, but we don't. We have a capitalistic system that is based on how much power and money a company can wield, not how much merit or function it can bring. Our entire military is a picture perfect example of how favor, not common sense, makes capitalism go round. Our health care system is exactly the same, and it was before Obamacare came on-line.
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Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
This wasn't bad PR, this was a calculated move by Big Corporate. I've got news for you: UPS was going to do this long before Obamacare came into existence. Obamacare just makes a real convenient excuse for UPS to bring this idea to fruition. Management has been paying a percentage of their insurance premiums for a while now. If Obamacare had been in place when they made managers pay for some of their insurance, they would have blamed Obamacare for it.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
No, UPS decided to blame this decision--which was obviously long in the works--on Obamacare. UPS is taking a chance that Obamacare will take over the conversation, rather than their decision to omit family members off UPS plans. It might work.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Disagree. This is a calculated decision by UPS to blame Obamacare for their decision to drop family members who have insurance from their jobs. Judging from polls, it might work. But I can guarantee this: UPS was going to do this regardless of Obamacare getting passed.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
That's not news to me. It was bad PR though. Even with blaming Obama, it makes them look bad, most people don't know how bad lower mgmt is treated at UPS. I will say that what management pays for their healthcare is far less than what most people pay in my experience.
When the story gained traction, they could have come out and explained it was only affecting spouses who don't get coverage elsewhere, and they could have compared the percentage they pay into an employee's healthcare to what other companies pay. Instead, as far as I can tell, they didn't say anything at all.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
I disagree. This makes them look like Obamacare is behind this decision, when it clearly isn't. And most people STILL don't know how lower mgmt is treated. What they pay isn't even an issue. This is poor, poor big business VS. those meanies in the Obama administration. I've seen no fallout on UPS's side. It puts the pressure back on Obamacare, if you ask me, no matter the truth.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
UPS: “Since the Affordable Care Act requires employers to provide affordable coverage, we believe your spouse should be covered by their own employer — just as U.P.S. has a responsibility to offer coverage to you, our employee.”
If it's not about what they pay, what is wrong with dropping spouses who can get coverage through their own employer?
Yes UPS has wanted to do this before obamacare, like every other company no doubt. Obamacare has made sure spouses with full time jobs will now get coverage through their own employer. Some spouses will now have an inferior, higher cost plan than they did before. It is just a side affect of the ACA, you have to take the good with the bad.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
What'dyabringmetoday???
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Shouldn't bother management types. They never get sick so as to lead by example thus their spouses should learn from the example and not need coverage. Lol?
oldupsman
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scoutlover
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What about non-union, full time drivers in a RTW state? We have several in our building and I was wondering what will happen to them.
PiedmontSteward
RTW-4-Less
There was a rumor going around my hub that this would affect the scabs, but that would open up IBT to all sorts of lawsuits and injunctions under the Taft-Hartley act. It would be illegal to provide a different level of health insurance coverage to non-members in the same bargaining unit.
That being said, I'm holding out hope that some of their paperwork gets "misplaced" and they have to spend a lot more time and effort getting claims approved when we switch over to TeamCare. I'd never want to see someone being denied health coverage when they need it - scab or not - but they should definitely have to deal with the typical "insurance merry-go-round" on the phone.
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