Interesting Turn of Events

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by av8torntn, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Official: "Owens Will Have to Be Removed"
    Northern NY News
    Written by Nathan Barker
    Thursday, 12 November 2009 11:29
    GOUVERNEUR, NY - Despite the fact that Bill Owens has already been sworn-in and has voted on crucial legislation in the House of Representatives, he may not have actually won the NY-23 Congressional Special Election.

    Several errors were made during the initial vote counts. Over 2,000 votes for contender Doug Hoffman were not counted in the preliminary results, narrowing the current vote gap to less than 3,000 votes between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman.

    The errors were discovered during the standard vote recanvas that has been underway since November 4th. The largest error occurred in Oswego County where the vote recanvas found a discrepancy of more than 1,200 votes in Doug Hoffman's favor. Another error, in Jefferson County contributed an additional 700 votes in Hoffman's favor during the recount.

    The election was close enough even on election night that the New York State Board of Elections was unable to present a "clear decision" in the race according to John Conklin, Communications Director for the department. He said that the Board sent a letter to the Clerk of the House of Representatives in Washington indicating that they could not yet determine a winner and could therefore not certify the election until after the recanvas and absentee ballot count. Those final numbers will not be available until at least mid-December.

    Nancy Pelosi was only able to legally swear-in Bill Owens because Doug Hoffman had conceded the election, indicating that he did not contest the initial, and now shown erroneous, results, something he may not have done if he had been aware of how close the election was.

    Mr. Hoffman told the Gouverneur Times that he felt at the time that he "was being a good sport" in doing so. With 93% of the polls in and counted and a margin of over 5,000 votes in favor of Owens, he felt he had lost the election. He now says that "while hindsight is 20/20, if I had known it was that close, I probably would have waited."

    Bill Owens was sworn in 2 days later and proceeded to vote in favor of Pelosi's health care bill the following day. While Mr. Hoffman feels that deliberately contesting the results of the election to prevent Owens' deciding vote in the Health Care bill would "not have been very sportsmanlike," and that he, personally, would not like to see a politician manipulate events in that manner, he also indicated that the good of the American people and the citizens of the 23rd district would have weighed in on that decision as well.

    As it stands now, Bill Owens may be in Washington and voting the Pelosi Party line but when the vote is certified he may be ousted. The state Board of Elections indicated that "...all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed." Concession speech or not, if the voters in the 23rd District elected Doug Hoffman and not Bill Owens, then Hoffman will be the Representative.

    There are currently over 10,000 uncounted absentee ballots, many of which were in the military where a strongly conservative bias exists. Given the narrow margin of Owens' lead at this time, it's entirely possible that this race could still swing for Hoffman.

    Sources indicate that the Democrats would not have had the votes to pass the Health bill if Owens had not been sworn-in and pledged his support for it. Several other Representatives have indicated that they would not have cast their votes in favor of the bill if they were not certain that it had the votes to win
  2. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Very interesting! I hope Hoffman gets it!
  3. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    I would think the biggest obstacle for Hoffman is that he already conceded. He may be able to withdraw that concession, I really don't know. It might be like Larry Craig trying to withdraw his guilty plea.
  4. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    But he conceded based on the state vote counts. Based on the states failure to properly count votes.

    Count those absentee ballots!
  5. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    The bigger mistake would be to allow Bill Owens to serve as the 23rd district's representative if in fact he did not get the majority of the votes.
  6. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    There is a big picture here. Did the secretary of state in NY certify the election? If he did why are they still counting votes? If he did not why did the speaker of the house swear in someone without that certification in such a close race. She did promise to run an ethical Congress. So it surely could not be that she needed that vote to pass that goofy health bill.

    I only base this on my state as NY may be different. It would not matter if anyone conceded. You cannot even take your name off the ballot once it is put on. To not accept the office one would have to write a letter of resignation to the governor and then he would be allowed to appoint someone not the speaker of the house. I fully expect the dimocrats at this point to sue to not have any military votes counted as they have done multiple times in the past in other states.