Iranian Leaders versus US Democrat Leaders

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Old Man Jingles, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Not Much Difference: Both Blame Trump

    Iran admitted on Sunday to "unintentionally" shooting down a Ukrainian passenger jet with 176 innocent civilians on board hours after attacking the military bases with U.S. soldiers. All of the passengers died.

    The country's foreign minister, Javad Zarif, blamed the United States for the downing of the commercial plane. "A sad day. Preliminary conclusions of internal investigation by Armed Forces: Human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster," Zarif said.


    Irandiana Mayor Running for US Presidency Blames Trump

    South Bend, Ind. mayor Pete Buttigieg on Thursday implied that Trump shares the blame for Iran’s missile attack on a Ukrainian flight en route from Tehran to Kyiv.

    According to U.S. officials, an Iranian anti-aircraft missile system shot down the plane. All 176 passengers, most of them Iranian or Canadian citizens, were killed.

    “Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military tit for tat,” Buttigieg wrote on Twitter.
     
  2. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Innocent civilians died because Iran didn't ground its civilian air traffic and Ukraine Air didn't cancel flights leaving Tehran. Two huge opportunities wasted. Either one would have saved those passengers.

    I believe there were about 3 hours between the time Iran launched missiles at US targets and the shoot down of the plane.
     
  3. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Here's an interesting story.

    Nolte: To Troll Trump, Media Lie About Obama's Role in Killing Qaddafi

    George W Bush's administration, promised to leave him alone if he gave up his WMD and nuclear programs, which he did. And then, Obama and Hillary Clinton came along and facilitated his assassination.

    Fact: The Obama administration successfully targeted the head of a country for assassination. To facilitate this assassination, and without congressional approval, we designated him a military target, we spied on him, we trapped him, and then we fired a hellfire missile at him to ensure his demise — which was the ONLY possible outcome. That missile was either going to kill Qaddafi or it would expose him to the mob seeking his head. And that is precisely what happened.

    America’s direct role in killing Qaddafi is the worst foreign policy decision ever, and Obama abandoning four Americans to die in Benghazi is, unfortunately, the least of it. To begin with, Libya was the cork between Africa and Europe. After America removed that cork, Europe was invaded by millions who will never assimilate. If Europe goes down as a Western culture, this will be why.
     
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  4. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Esper just came out and said there was "no specific evidence" regarding the 4 planned attacks on embassies that Trump used to justify the drone strike. So, he's LYING again, which would explain the shifting narrative about killing the Iranian general. It also explains why Pompeo and Trump have different narratives. Amazing.

    What if we discover that the real reason Trump ordered the hit was to placate GOP hawks who have always wanted a war with Iran in order to insure their continued support during impeachment?

    Moamar Gaddafi was killed by his own people, not Obama. QUIT LYING.
     
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  5. bacha29

    bacha29 Well-Known Member

    If you were to ask cluckers what 'Operation Ajax" was about and what role the US played in that operation the number of
    cluckers who could actually tell you could probably be counted on your fingers.

    As for Moamar Gaddafi after the Lockerbie incident the whole world was after him. His got a bit lax with his own security and his own people got to him first.
     
  6. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    There would be no high missile alert if Trump hadn't done the escalation drone strike and initiated the chain of events resulting in the faux "saving face" strike on the bases, which were pre-alerted to the "strikes", which largely landed on the perimeter of the base when they could have been precisely targeted.

    The Iranians proved they had precision weapons when they attacked the Saudi oil facilities and shot several missiles through the same holes in the roof of the complex. They could have taken the whole place out but didn't.

    A fireworks show for the Iranian people to show they could slap the Great Satan, who knew the whole time a phony "attack" was on the way.

    That's why Trump didn't respond, but the Iranians were expecting he might. Liars vs. liars all the way around.
     
  7. Crash-n-Burn

    Crash-n-Burn Over/under

    I think state Dept officials should come on browncafe and gossip about military objectives and adversarial surveillance.

    If these dorks aren't CIA sending the gullible down false rabbit holes, then they should shut their piehole!
     
  8. DriveInDriveOut

    DriveInDriveOut Proud Deplorable

    Democrats taking up the talking points of a terrorist dictatorship. Pathetic human beings.
     
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  9. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    It was 100% the Iranians’ fault that the plane was shot down. Sorry.
     
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  10. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Trump triggered the whole deal. Own it.
     
  11. vantexan

    vantexan Well-Known Member

    Yah, those innocent widdle Iranians didn't do anything bad.
     
  12. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    They didn’t shoot down a commercial flight due to malice. It was incompetence dealing with a situation created by Trump. Is nuance not allowed in right wing thought? Must everything be black and white?
     
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  13. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    I know hard leftists often misplace responsibility for things, personal or otherwise. But the shoot down was 100% Iran’s fault.
     
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  14. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    See IWBF's post.
     
  15. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    Yup. 100%. If Trump hadn’t drone striked their general they totally would have randomly shot down a commercial flight. Spot on, actions have no consequences.
     
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  16. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Directly...yes. Indirectly...no. Are you saying Trump's actions played no part in this?
     
  17. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Iran didn’t shut down its airspace to civilian flights after launching its missiles. At the same time, its military members were manning their anti aircraft missiles, ready to fire at any flying objects over Tehran. And 3 :censored2:ing hours after their missiles launched against US targets, with Iranian airspace still open to civilian flights, they did.

    It was a moronic move on their part and 100% their fault.
     
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  18. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Yes, but why was the Iranian military on alert? Because they were expecting incoming US fire. All of this stemming from the drone strike, right?

    Yes, stupid to keep airspace open, and equally stupid for Ukranian Airlines to even fly, but this all started with Trump killing the treaty and extends through killing the general.

    It all leads back to Agent Orange
     
  19. vantexan

    vantexan Well-Known Member

    Trump didn't just assassinate Soleimani out of the blue. An American had been killed, our embassy in Baghdad had been stormed, Saudi oilfields had been attacked, and there was a long line of Iranian backed terrorist attacks worldwide. And you've yet to attack Obama for 2800 drone strikes including taking out a wedding but blast Trump for taking out the chief architect of Iran's terrorism. Nor did you credit Trump for restraint when the Iranians shot down our drone but Trump said no one died so no need to kill others. Exactly how many people on our side have to die before you decide it's ok to strike back? Wait until we have a Democrat president so it's ok with you?
     
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  20. It will be fine

    It will be fine Well-Known Member

    I often criticize Obama for his extra judicial killing of an American citizen. His embrace of droning and endless war is a big reason why he lost my vote in 2012. It’s a big part of why I didn’t vote for Hillary. I’m against wasting our blood and treasure to try and civilize a bunch of goat herders in the desert. Israel is fine without us.

    If Trump had stayed in the JCPOA and pulled troops out of the region like he promised he would, I’d think it’s a good thing. He promised to end the endless wars and instead he’s starting a new one. I don’t know why you think that’s a good idea.
     
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